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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:29 PM

Joe Miller:
Again, this is just my personal perspective, but Logos just provides the hammer, you can decide how to use it.

I am in complete agreement with you... I only quoted your text to also show that some might believe you are making theological debate.  

Perhaps we're getting a little to nit-picky with our forum policing efforts...

Take care!

- Michael

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:31 PM

Richard Masciantonio:
Michael, thanks for the exchange, rickster54@hotmail.com

I'm not sure what you are talking about?  What exchange? My point was that you need to grow some skin, which I stand by.  See previous post.  Was there something that you wanted to discuss outside that realm?

- Michael

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Richard Masciantonio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:49 PM

Hello Joe,

This is Richard. I understand and agree with the point you’re making, and I would suggest to you that Logos has been doing that up to this time, just look at the product list. But let’s not forget or ignore we’re not talking about hammers and screws (not to over-emphasize your valid illustration) we are talking about truth here. And while we want to exhibit Christian character toward those we disagree with, we can never forget what we are dealing with and before Whom we are doing it.

God bless

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Richard Masciantonio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:53 PM

No Mike, just my way of signing off. Believe me my skin is fine and I’m comfortable in it. As you can imagine I’ve been down this road a number of times and always enjoy it.

Again God bless!

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 3:57 PM

Richard Masciantonio:
As you can imagine I’ve been down this road a number of times and always enjoy it.

Oh yes I imagine it quite easily... You "enjoy" it... interesting.

- Michael

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Clinton Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 4:50 PM

John A. Taylor:
As a Pentecostal with a cousin who is a Catholic Priest, a son-in-law who is a Lutheran pastor, a sister-in-law who is a devoted Catholic, and a now deceased uncle who was a Free-Methodist pastor, I've found that we can agree on far more than we disagree on.  And I've been enriched by peaceful discussions, over the Word, about the areas we disagree on.

Hi John,

I was expecting your sentence to end something like:

"... and a now deceased uncle who was a Free-Methodist pastor, I found that letting our theological discussions get out of hand did not end well..."

Regards,

Clinton

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 6:48 PM

Joe Miller:

Richard Masciantonio:
he will have to introduce works that argue against sola scriptura which will of necessity set the authority of the Roman church above the Word of God.
In my personal opinion, your point is exactly the reason Protestants and Catholics should be PLEASED with what Logos is doing—not angry.

- From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will allow you to develop a stronger argument to persuade others of their error.

-  From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will bring in more Roman Catholic users who will then also get exposed to Protestant resources that could persuade them to embrace Sola Scriptura.

- From a Catholic perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Catholic tradition will simply make them happy to use Logos.

Logos, like any good Library, is neutral to "why" people read certain content.  If a user wants to read a book to research and writing... you win.  If a user wants to read a book to debunk bad theology... you win.  If a user wants to read a book to reinforce their theology.. you win.

In the end, more Catholic resources is a Win Win Win situation for everybody of every tradition who cares about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  

good point, Joe.

The more books the better. And the more ability that anybody has to actually study the Bible and be exposed to the Bible texts the bette.r

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
gbcaz.org

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Bill Coley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 8:05 PM

Joe Miller:

- From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will allow you to develop a stronger argument to persuade others of their error.

-  From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will bring in more Roman Catholic users who will then also get exposed to Protestant resources that could persuade them to embrace Sola Scriptura.

- From a Catholic perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Catholic tradition will simply make them happy to use Logos.

 

With all respect, Joe, your three points do not a friendly invitation to all Catholics (or other non-Protestant Christians) offer. Reworded, they sound like this: In Logos, Protestants find ammunition for their dispute with Catholicism and hope for their efforts to convert its faithful, while Catholics find resources they'll enjoy.

Seriously?

Why must we frame the Protestant-Catholic (or Baptist-Presbyterian, or Evangelical-Mainline, or...) in such combative terminology, as if we and they (whoever "we" and "they" might be) are in a struggle for superiority, some kind of ecclesiastical/theological death match of wisdom and wills? Why think of Logos as a tool to use against other followers of Jesus at all?

How about this instead....

In Logos, Protestants may find resources to aid and encourage their exploration of Scripture, and in the process grow their faith and strengthen their connections to the Savior those Scriptures proclaim.

In Logos, Catholics may find resources to aid and encourage their exploration of Scripture, and in the process grow their faith and strengthen their connections to the Savior those Scriptures proclaim.

In Logos, Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, and all who claim Jesus as Lord may find resources to deepen their understanding of and respect for their own and each other's traditions, resources that will help describe the history, doctrine, and practices that define both the diversity and essential unity of the Body of Christ to which all followers belong.

 

And if you can't say something that respectful about those "other" Christians, the ones whose theology you are just convinced is their ticket to Hell, then simply say Logos helps you.  (STOP! That's all! Shhhh! Don't talk about "them"! Step away from the conclusion!)

The thread that prompted this current thread turned acrimonious because the focus turned away from the tools Logos provides for Bible study (common ground for us COPs (Catholics/Orthodox/Protestants), and toward the character and faithfulness of those who use those resources. Had the original post said something like, "I am looking for resources about my tradition other Logos users have found particularly helpful. Recommendations?" This current thread would not exist.

At its best and most useful, Logos is not an implement deployed in contests against other Christians. It is a tool to explore and understand God's Word. Surely we can grow our own faith, value our own traditions, and use our own Logos installations without devaluing others.... At least in these forums.

Blessings,

Bill

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 9:12 PM

I notice we're still discussing/debating theology.  Geeked

 

 

 

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 9:34 PM

Bill Coley:
With all respect, Joe, your three points do not a friendly invitation to all Catholics (or other non-Protestant Christians) offer. Reworded, they sound like this: In Logos, Protestants find ammunition for their dispute with Catholicism and hope for their efforts to convert its faithful, while Catholics find resources they'll enjoy.

I agree with your assessment... I just didn't want to start a theological debate.  <grins>  the poster is coming from the assumption he is correct and other people are wrong.  Which if this was the correct forum I would be dispute... which it is not.  In any event, that's not a good way to start a dialog with people who have differing opinions... I do agree with the poster, sorry forget name, that more material for all is a great thing.

- Michael

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 1 2011 9:50 PM

Richard Masciantonio:

As a former Roman Catholic and convinced Protestant, but someone who is still interested in Roman Catholic theology, I am disappointed with the decision by Logos to introduce this emphasis in their product line. Nothing personal against Andrew, but to already hear of the 'living tradition'  means that he will have to introduce works that argue against sola scriptura which will of necessity set the authority of the Roman church above the Word of God. But of course in Rome's view, their tradition IS the Word of God. Let's hope Logos will have the spiritual fortitude to produce works that expose the errors of Rome and save the unknowing from the errors of a system that can refer to a man as 'Holy Father'.

I don't want to sound out of control, but I was just wondering where's the Lutheran, or Greek Orthodox, or Pentecostal project manager?

This website and company is BOB's puppy, his ball, his bundle of joy. HE calls the shots, period. I don't have to like it...though sometimes I do (which is why he has so much of my money). Indifferent

I hear your "concern", Richard. But hard as it may be to take and swallow, you're overstepping, IMO. God said, "I set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore, choose life." (Deut. 30:19) This choice is ultimately a personal one, and no one (other than a parent of a child) has a right to hinder that process of making a choice, even if the wrong choice is made. YHWH could have killed off Satan before creating Adam and Eve and thus eliminate any worry about coming into contact with a "contaminating influence", but that would have avoided the whole PURPOSE, which was for people to CHOOSE which "spiritual style" they desire...blessing and life or cursing and death. You are worried and concerned people will be swayed by material you think will lead to cursing and death. Understandable. But consider this--what if Catholics AND Protestants (and Lutherans, Orthodox, Pentecostals, to include those you mentioned) are ALL wrong??? Considering what Rev. 12:9 says about Satan deceiving the whole world, it's something worthy of consideration...and it may not be as preposterous as you first think. Unless the apostle was wrong...

Point being, stop worrying about other people's decisions and contact with error. This world is DESIGNED by YHWH to give every person precisely that OPPORTUNITY...to encounter error and conclude that it is a bad deal altogether...and determine that God has the better offer. You do what you can to influence them in the way that you think is best--if it really is best. And with all this in mind, let Bob have his way. This is his ball...he makes the rules. He's just giving peole the tools to make their decision...whether good or bad.

Also, while this is directed at Richard, all should give ear. NO MORE THEOLOGICAL DEBATES! (Disclaimer: Though the above may appear to be a theologically-tinged comment, it is rather intended as a purely logical defense of the proprietor's method of operation. Any appearance of theological seemingness is merely a by-product of attempting to convey the suitability of that M.O. using the most appropriate tools at hand.) Embarrassed

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 1:16 PM

Bob Pritchett:

Logos Bible Software is here to serve everyone who studies the Bible. That is intentionally "big tent" and we intentionally do not have a statement of faith or a doctrinal position.

The forums are here to support and discuss Logos Bible Software. There are plenty of forums for gladitorial theological combat; please take those discussions there.

Peace to you, Bob!

                       Thank you for your post!              Indeed!                               The Forums have been a real blessing to me. 

You and Logos Bible Software will be in my prayers!

                                                      Remember!                            Always Joy in the Lord!

                                          *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 1:19 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

Bob Pritchett:

Logos Bible Software is here to serve everyone who studies the Bible. That is intentionally "big tent" and we intentionally do not have a statement of faith or a doctrinal position.

The forums are here to support and discuss Logos Bible Software. There are plenty of forums for gladitorial theological combat; please take those discussions there.

 

Peace to you, Bob!

                       Thank you for your post!              Indeed!                               The Forums have been a real blessing to me. 

You and Logos Bible Software will be in my prayers!

                                                      Remember!                            Always Joy in the Lord!

                                          *smile*

Yes

 

Blessings,
Floyd

Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 9:38 PM

Joe Miller:

- From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will allow you to develop a stronger argument to persuade others of their error.

-  From a Protestant perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Roman Catholic tradition will bring in more Roman Catholic users who will then also get exposed to Protestant resources that could persuade them to embrace Sola Scriptura.

- From a Catholic perspective, having resources in Logos that are more authoritative in the Catholic tradition will simply make them happy to use Logos.

Logos, like any good Library, is neutral to "why" people read certain content.  If a user wants to read a book to research and writing... you win.  If a user wants to read a book to debunk bad theology... you win.  If a user wants to read a book to reinforce their theology.. you win.

In the end, more Catholic resources is a Win Win Win situation for everybody of every tradition who cares about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  

Nicely put Joe. I love the fact that Logos has other content that doesn't neccessarily align with my theology. I love any resource from any period with any language so I can grasp the arguments and theological stands at any point in history. I personally think it's important to know the doctrines of other denominations and faiths to give a proper defense for Christ. I do not use the forums for any theological debate, but for issues that may arise from my L4 use and the occassional suggestion I may give or respond to. I think you summed it up very nice.

Matt

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 9:53 PM

Thanks, Bob. 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 4 2011 7:13 AM

Anyone know of any good commentaries on this section of Galatians?

Galatians 5:13-15

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." k 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

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Michael Gaskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 4 2011 8:09 AM

Michael:
Anyone know of any good commentaries on this section of Galatians?

Nice, messages are almost died down to nothing...people got it.  But, if your intention was to throw the Bible in my face, it worked; however, if it was truly to highlight an important principle, thank you.  Your motivation is something only you and God know.

- Michael

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 4 2011 8:21 AM

The sermon at church yesterday was on this passage.  I am new to Logos and am not very good at finding things in it yet and I wanted to research this scripture.  I thought this was a good place to ask.  I apologize if it wasn't.

Mike

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Kenny Larsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 4 2011 8:42 AM

Hi Mike,

You'll probably have more replies if you start a new thread with your question regarding resources on the passage in Galatians. This thread itself probably isn't the best place for it, although the forums in general are!

Kenny

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 4 2011 8:49 AM

Thanks Kenny.

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