Wierd question concerning personal hygiene habits

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 7:00 PM

David Paul:

I am certain YHWH would not inhabit a building with *** in it.

 

Just to be clear, I used the word "fee-sees" in the sentence above. Not sure why that would be censored. Hmm

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David Knoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 3 2011 7:37 PM

David Paul:
To some degree, yes.

You see? We'll make a proper Sadducee out of you yet. Smile Would it help if, just to keep you sweet, we would, say, offer you a short tenure as a high priest? Big Smile 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 4 2011 5:11 PM

Wink

Think I'll pass...

Is that how Caiaphas got in? Story is he was found in his sarcophagus with a coin under his tongue to pay the ferry master's toll across the river Styx. What a high priest!

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David Knoll | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 5:22 AM

David Paul:
Story is he was found in his sarcophagus with a coin under his tongue to pay the ferry master's toll across the river Styx. What a high priest!

Wrong story I am afraid. The ossuary belonged to a son of someone named Caiaphas if I am not mistaken. The coin was found in another ossuary (at the same spot) of one Miriam daughter of Simon.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 5:47 AM

Mark Barnes:
The search I mentioned earlier should help if you have a collection of books useful on Bible Background. You can build a Bible Background collection using the string (title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom,"New Testament—Background","Jews", "Judaism", antiquities, "christianity--origin", historiography, palestine, qumran, rabinnic*, talmud) OR (subject:(excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:dictionary)) ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine,"Jews—Conversion", "Hebrew Language")

Thanks for the string Mark. My rules are no where as complex as this. I got 39 hits, hand to manually remove Charles Dickens work.

Interesting reading from the Talmud. Glad I took the plunge and got it.

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nicky crane | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 7:11 AM

David Knoll:
It is best not to rely on what you hear from Arab villagers in Israel nowadays. Many of them were not even there 200 years ago. It depends on the specific family and its provenance. It is best to rely on Dalman. Arbeit und Sitte in Palaestina.

I didn't make myself clear!  I was a guest in an Arab village 40 years ago.  When I needed the toilet, they were embarrassed as they had to direcft me to the field behind the house!

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 7:45 AM

Okay, I found info in this resource. I think I got my previous info off the internet.

Thiede, Carsten Peter. The Cosmopolitan World of Jesus : New Findings from Archaeology. London: SPCK, 2004. Beginning p. 91

Still doesn't cast Caiaphas in a good light.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 5 2011 1:17 PM

Mark Barnes:
The search I mentioned earlier should help if you have a collection of books useful on Bible Background. You can build a Bible Background collection using the string (title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom,"New Testament—Background","Jews", "Judaism", antiquities, "christianity--origin", historiography, palestine, qumran, rabinnic*, talmud) OR (subject:(excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:dictionary)) ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine,"Jews—Conversion", "Hebrew Language")

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 5:07 PM

From my Logos homepage this morning:

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 5:37 PM

LOL...the usage of "toilet" here is the archaic one of "tending to one's personal hygiene", not using the "pot". You may realize that, but I just want to make that clear in case some aren't aware. This woman is sitting on a regular chair, not an early commode.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 5:51 PM

Thanks David. Yes I knew. Just too funny to pass up though. Smile

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 6:59 PM

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I'm just curious:  During the first century--Did people use an out-house?  And what did they use for toilet paper?  I could not find any commentary to these questions in my L4 library.  As I said, I'm just curious.

Didn't they just stop at McDonalds?  Big Smile

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 7:04 PM

Well, it appears they used stones, not paper. As for outhouses, that excerpt from the Talmud also seems to speak to where to go and/or dig a pit.

Maybe that's why David picked up 5 smooth stones - one to kill Goliath and four to save for other uses.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 8:06 PM

Eric Weiss:
Maybe that's why David picked up 5 smooth stones - one to kill Goliath and four to save for other uses.

Thanks for the laugh Eric.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 10:56 PM

Although Eric's comment was made (one assumes) all in good natured fun, I was tempted (temporarily, mind you) to post the real and accurate reason that David chose 5 stones from the brook. However, I considered that such a response would likely devolve into opinions related to doctrine...and we all know where that leads...

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 11:01 PM

David Paul:

Although Eric's comment was made (one assumes) all in good natured fun, I was tempted (temporarily, mind you) to post the real and accurate reason that David chose 5 stones from the brook. However, I considered that such a response would likely devolve into opinions related to doctrine...and we all know where that leads...

...DANCING!!! Devil

Ok David I'm interested. Email me at lynden_williams at the mail that is always hot.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 7 2011 11:06 PM

David Paul:

Although Eric's comment was made (one assumes) all in good natured fun, I was tempted (temporarily, mind you) to post the real and accurate reason that David chose 5 stones from the brook. However, I considered that such a response would likely devolve into opinions related to doctrine...and we all know where that leads...

...DANCING!!! Devil

I'm glad it wasn't the reel reason that you proposed to give since we all know where that leads ... MOVIES !!!  Devil

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 8 2011 6:06 AM

George Somsel:
 I'm glad it wasn't the reel reason that you proposed to give since we all know where that leads ... MOVIES !!!  Devil

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:21 PM

Fear of outhouses? Who'd a thunk it? It's hard to know how valid Talmudic attributions are or what period of time some things in fact pertain to, but this is another example of how differently the ancients thought. And thanks to the Logos Talmuds I can learn about this stuff!

XVI.5 A. [60B] He who goes into a privy says, “Be most honored, you honored and holy ones, those who serve the Most High. Give honor to the God of Israel. Wait on me until I go in and do what I wish and come back to you. [So guard me from the evil spirits at the privy.]”  B. Said Abbayye, “A person should not say such a prayer, lest [the guardian angels] leave him and go their way.  C. “But this is what he should say: ‘Guard me, guard me. Help me, help me. Support me, support me. Wait for me, wait for me, until I go in and come out. For this is the way of mortals.”  D. When he comes out, he should say, “Blessed are you … who has formed man with wisdom and created in him various sorts of holes and apertures. It is entirely clear before your glorious throne that if one of them [that should remain closed] should open up, or if one of them [that should remain open] should close up, it will not be possible to arise before you.”  E. How does one conclude the blessing?  F. Said Rab, “ ‘… who heals the sick.’ ”  G. Said Samuel, “In this way Abba [Rab] turns the whole world into invalids! Rather: ‘Who heals all flesh.’ ”  H. R. Sheshet said, “ ‘Who does wonders.’ ”  I. Said R. Pappa, “Therefore let us say them both: ‘Who heals all flesh and who does wonders.’ ”...  XIX.6 A. Said R. Tanhum bar Hanilai, “Whoever behaves modestly in the privy is saved from three things: snakes, scorpions, and destructive spirits.”  B. Some say, “Also his dreams rest easy on him.”  XIX.7 A. There was a privy in Tiberias, into which, even if two people entered and, even by day, they would be harmed.  B. R. Ammi and R. Assi went in one by one but were not injured.  C. Rabbis said to them, “Are you not afraid?”  D. They said to them, “We have learned a tradition: the lesson for [dealing with] the privy is modesty and silence, the lesson for [dealing with] suffering is silence and prayer.” XIX.8 A. Abbayye’s mother trained a lamb to go with him into a privy.  B. Why not train a goat for him?  C. It might turn into a satyr. XIX.9 A. Before Raba became head, the daughter of R. Hisda [his wife] would rattle nuts in a brass dish [to frighten away spirits].  B. After he came to power, she made a little window for him and put her hand on his head. (Babylonian Talmud, Berakhot)

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