Quick method for installing on multiple computers

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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 4 2009 8:59 PM

Hi Folks:

There have been a lot of posts here on the forum so someone else may have already mentioned this.

I have 4 different computers that I needed to install Logos 4 (platinum) on. Altogether I have about 2300 books.

The first computer I installed it on took forever it seem (many hours) to download and then index everything.

I can now do the whole process (from installing to and including indexing) in less than 30 minutes.

Here is what I did if anyone is interested:

1. I copied the directory/folder  that contains all of the Logos4 data to an external hard drive. (On Windows 7 this is normally located under: C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Logos4

2. On the second computer Install Logos4.

3. When the New install of Logos4 on the new computer has finished installing you will need to log into your account before Logos 4 will begin downloading.

4. Once the Logosindexer begins downloading resources, Kill the download (Right click on the task bar, select task manger/kill the logos process).

5. Copy the Logos4 folder that you backed up over the new install on the new computer.

6. Delete this file: "ResourceManager.db"   (It is located in the Data>something.mbd>ResourceManager folder.

7. Delete the something.mbd folder in the Logos4>Data folder that does NOT contain the files you copied from the external hard drive (I think it will work without doing this, but I like a clean drive. Do NOT delete the folder you just copied over).

8. Start/Run Logos 4.  It should go through the 3 steps starting. It will recreate the ResourceManager.db file as it searches and finds all of the books you copied over.  Since you copied over the index file, that will not run again.

I've tried this on 3 different computers and it works like a charm. I didn't have to download or re-index all off the books again....  It is getting late at night so I hope that makes sense.

Matthew

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:02 PM

Matthew, if this works for me then you have officially become My November 2009 Hero - I considered Hero for Life but thought that a touch extreme

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:03 PM

It would be useful to have some insight from the Logos team if this will cause syncing problems (all the installations look the same to the sync server)?

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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:15 PM

Hi Jon:

I so far haven't experienced any problems. Here at home I made some changes to Logos4 on my Laptop (some notes and layout) and the changes were synced to my desktop with no problems.

 

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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:20 PM

I just wanted to add one thing at step two that I listed above: Part of installing Logos 4 is logging in. I didn't clarify above that you need to log in at least once before the download process will start. Then kill the download process and copy every thing over....

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:27 PM

Matthew Friend:

I just wanted to add one thing at step two that I listed above: Part of installing Logos 4 is logging in. I didn't clarify above that you need to log in at least once before the download process will start. Then kill the download process and copy every thing over....

Matthew,

you can edit your post from the More button. Thus you can add this information in there.

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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:34 PM

Thanks Damian for the help. I'm new to this forum and never thought to look for the edit function under the "more" button.

 

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:38 PM

Matthew Friend:

Thanks Damian for the help. I'm new to this forum and never thought to look for the edit function under the "more" button.

Matthew, You're welcome - both for the help and to the forum.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 1:01 AM

Hey Matthew,

Welcome and thanks for the inspiration. Because it confirmed a similar approach I had been wanting to test. I had begun a test installation, so I closed the program, then:-

  • deleted the folders under ... \Logos4\Data\{random}\ 
  • replaced them with folders from a working installation, and
  • L4 started without any preamble!

I figured that as long as I kept the test installation's {random} folder designation it would connect to the Data side folders from elesewhere without a problem! I had a slight hiccup with sync, but eventually my Collections appeared.

Now we wait awhile for the dust to settle around Bellingham!

EDIT The complete process is:

    * copy all folders under ...\Logos4\Data\{random}\ from working installation to an External drive

    * download Logos4 from 

      http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LDLS4Installer/Logos4Setup.exe

    * choose Custom installation if you want to install in a folder of your choice

    * Sign-in and Cancel the download when it finally starts (after some preparation)

    * Pause Indexer and kill Logos4Indexer.exe in Task Manager ++

    * Close Logos4

    * delete all folders under  ...\Logos4\Data\{random}\

    * copy folders from external drive to above location

    * start L4


++ only necessary if you have Libronix v3 installed

Dave
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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:25 AM

Hi Dave:

You explained it better than I did.

The only thing really different is that I mentioned deleting the "ResourceManager.db" file.

On the first computer I tried copying to the Logos4 installation would not find the books after the copy. When I would try to open a book (or specifically, when I tried to open a saved layout) Logos 4 would crash and say something about not being able to find the resource.  Once I deleted (and after restarting Logos4) the "ResourceManager.db" file is quickly re-created  as Logos4 checked what was in the resource folder and worked fine. This was on a Windows 7 Pro computer.  I may try today on an XP computer to see if it will work without deleting the ResourceManager.db file.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:36 AM

Matthew Friend:
I may try today on an XP computer to see if it will work without deleting the ResourceManager.db file.

I should state that my test system is Windows 7 RC on the laptop mentioned below.

The main difference was that you replaced the host files and folders with the donor/working system ( reading step 5) whilst I only replaced the Data side folders with the donor folders + not touching ResourceManager.db.

Dave
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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:40 AM

Dave Hooton:

Welcome and thanks for the inspiration. Because it confirmed a similar approach I had been wanting to test. I had begun a test installation, so I closed the program, then:-

  • deleted the folders under ... \Logos4\Data\{random}\ 
  • replaced them with folders from a working installation, and
  • L4 started without any preamble!

I figured that as long as I kept the test installation's {random} folder designation it would connect to the Data side folders from elesewhere without a problem! I had a slight hiccup with sync, but eventually my Collections appeared.

Now we wait awhile for the dust to settle around Bellingham!

Time to update your backup/restore scripts?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:52 AM

Todd Phillips:
Time to update your backup/restore scripts?

Just when Logos thought they could do it all in the cloud pragmatics strikes again Smile

Dave
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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:58 AM

Dave Hooton:

Todd Phillips:
Time to update your backup/restore scripts?

Just when Logos thought they could do it all in the cloud pragmatics strikes again Smile

Yup copying from my external HD is about a billion times faster than the alternative. Stick out tongue I really like the idea of backing up the indexes.

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Donald G. Fisher | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:02 AM

This is how I historically re-installed my 3.0f software but I thought I read that Logos 4 was different.  I did copy my Logos 4 folder and all of its contents onto an external hard drive and so relieved that any future re-installations will be so much quicker.  I did have some issue yesterday and ended up redoing the whole process after a complete uninstall.  I will also put your instructions onto a Word file to be placed within my Logos 4 folder and label it Important to Read!  Thanks again.

don

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Daniel Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:14 AM

DonaldGFisher:

This is how I historically re-installed my 3.0f software but I thought I read that Logos 4 was different.  I did copy my Logos 4 folder and all of its contents onto an external hard drive and so relieved that any future re-installations will be so much quicker.  I did have some issue yesterday and ended up redoing the whole process after a complete uninstall.  I will also put your instructions onto a Word file to be placed within my Logos 4 folder and label it Important to Read!  Thanks again.

don

The standard and supported install method is different for Logos 4 - you run the one download, and then it automanages everything.  The downside is you have to wait, sometimes a long time depending on internet speed (for the downloading) and processor speed (for the indexing).

If we create problems for ourselves doing this, we'd better not be calling tech support and complaining that it doesn't work, because we're not doing the supported method. Especially since the whole point of Logos 4 being auto-managed was to cut costs and reduce some of the need for tech support, based on what I've read elsewhere,

Having said that, this is a great option for those of us who still need to install our Windows 7 upgrades Big Smile, have multiple computers, and/or have bandwidth restrictions on downloading, to bypass spending a bunch more hours indexing.  Now I can move the index from my desktop which is already done to my (fast enough but much slower) laptop.  And, hopefully, install my Windows 7 upgrade one evening (or Saturday) and still have Logos 4 up and running the same day.

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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 12:14 PM

Dave Hooton:

EDIT The complete process is:

    * copy all folders under ...\Logos4\Data\{random}\ from working installation to an External drive

    * download Logos4 from 

      http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LDLS4Installer/Logos4Setup.exe

    * choose Custom installation if you want to install in a folder of your choice

    * Sign-in and Cancel the download when it finally starts (after some preparation)

    * Pause Indexer and kill Logos4Indexer.exe in Task Manager ++

    * Close Logos4

    * delete all folders under  ...\Logos4\Data\{random}\

    * copy folders from external drive to above location

    * start L4

I wanted to let everyone know that I tried doing it Dave's way and it works with less steps than the way I did it.

His steps are pretty self-explanatory, but if anyone is interested I made a short flash video that shows the steps.

I'm going to post this also under a new thread so that hopefully folks will see it and complete it Dave's way (I think there is a time limit on how long a post is editable so I can't edit my original).

The video is at:

http://wczone.com/Copying%20LOGOS4.html

Matthew

 

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 12:22 PM

if this is the case, why the random letters in the path, I  would have thought the indexes would have been broken regardless, but if its workin for you  gr8

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Matthew Friend | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 12:29 PM

Hi DominicM

I have tried with both Custom and Standard installs. the {random} folder within the data folder is different on every computer I installed it on. Not only the folder name, but the ending too!

The index does not appear to be broken. In fact, when I made the video there was a 3.8 meg update. It updated and quickly indexed the small file (just a couple of minutes) as opposed to indexing all of the books.

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 2:18 PM

yep I can confirm it works, tho I also had to delete my ResourceManager.db it was coming up as resource not found... but that took 5 mins instead of 26hrs on my netbook Big Smile excellent discovery

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