Android, Please!?!?!?!?

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Frank Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 7 2011 7:11 AM

So any update from Team Logos, sure has been awfully quiet... Are we close to having a Logos Android App? Need someone to Beta test, I'll volunteer to help test... Also I think I found the work around to posting from my phone, but a Forum App? for reading and posting would be outstanding!

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Nathan Madison | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 3:08 AM

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2011 3:46 AM

I Don't know why they are dragging their feet on this one. The web Version is not the radost to use, especially in no-coverage areas. Andriod Users now outnumber iphone users anyway, why are they treated as second class citizens by logos? I know they have to keep iphone users happy, but we are just as large a potential market, we actually have more market share at present.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2011 5:36 AM

Disclaimer: personally looking forward to Logos iPad application update (hearing split screen soon).  Also reading about iPad 2 and iPhone 5 dual core processors and graphics upgrades later this year..  Found article about upcoming Verizon iPhone that compares Apple and Android hardware => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/13/iphone_4_and_ios_vs_android_on_verizon.html  Apple offers more storage space with higher display resolution and graphic processor - bit more hardware to run Logos display engine.

Wonder what Android devices will be capable of running Logos application ?  Given Logos penchant for resource intensive application, would not be surprised if recommended Android device needs dual core processors - shipping later this year.

ben:
I Don't know why they are dragging their feet on this one.

Logos announced developing Android application on 1 Nov 2010 => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/25467/188487.aspx

From experience waiting lots longer for initial Logos for Mac version, understand lack of information about development progress - initial Mac version missed some promised delivery dates Sad - now Logos announces shipping date when usable application is stable enough for daily use Cool whose information syncing does not adversely affect Logos use on other platforms.  Logos does release early (features incomplete) - helps business cash flow.

Observation: Android Developer's Cookbook describes some programming challenges => http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20026718-264.html

With different Android software implementations and hardware, anticipating various performance comments once Logos Android app ships (similar to various Mac and PC forum threads).  Sony has some Android 2.2 customization that cannot be upgraded to Android 3.0 => http://blogs.computerworld.com/17627/sony_android

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2011 8:21 AM

ben:

I Don't know why they are dragging their feet on this one. The web Version is not the radost to use, especially in no-coverage areas. Andriod Users now outnumber iphone users anyway, why are they treated as second class citizens by logos? I know they have to keep iphone users happy, but we are just as large a potential market, we actually have more market share at present.

Caveat: I am an iOS fan and pretty heavy Mac user.

With that as background I have been an application developer by profession for the past decade and change. I have mostly worked on Windows but over the last 5 years that has tilted to OS X programming including a substantial iOS application. With all the buzz around Android we picked up a device (Archos 70 Internet Tablet) and did some programming on it. Not being a fan of Java we decided to work with the MonoDroid framework as we already have a large code library in Microsoft .NET. The port to Android for existing code was reasonably painless BUT the user interface design and device specific issues (application packaging, security provisioning, etc.) were painful. We did a minor port that would not be functional in a professional environment and then stopped. From our perspective Android has some development challenges as well as security challenges that it needs to overcome. The MonoDroid framework is still in beta and the performance is pretty bad. I am not sure which way Logos is going but knowing they have a lot of .NET code too I would not be surprised if they went MonoDroid. If so they couldn't release right now anyway as the framework is not finished. I also would imagine the user interface would present a pretty substantial challenge for them. The basic UI building blocks in Android seem pretty crude to me and what I did in no way approached the complexity of what Logos will need.

All that to say, patience is going to be needed. Logos have a pretty big task in front of them and the easiest way for them to shortcut (not have to reprogram everything) is not ready for release yet. For all the groundswell building behind Android it seems to me to be a step or two behind iOS in every way including the development tools.

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Dean Moody | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 12:02 AM

Just like to put my two bits in. 
I'd love to see Logos on Android as well.  Running an HTC as my mobile and Logos on my PC.  Sure would be nifty even if all they did was give basic searches and book reading.  To take my books on the go.  That sure would be something.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 1:06 AM

Appears Oracle's lawsuit against Google copying and distributing copyrighted code in Android has merit => http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-evidence-supports-oracles-case.html

Dean Moody:

Just like to put my two bits in. 
I'd love to see Logos on Android as well.  Running an HTC as my mobile and Logos on my PC.  Sure would be nifty even if all they did was give basic searches and book reading.  To take my books on the go.  That sure would be something.

Popular game Angry Birds released first for iOS, then Android => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Birds - development section mentions diversity of Android hardware and user interfaces - expect Logos development for Android encountering same issues plus Logos needs information to sync nicely cross platform.  On Android, Angry Birds took 25 % longer than announced to deliver initial release - suspect Logos code (e.g. display engine) is more complex than Angry Birds.

Angry Birds full game is not playable on many Android devices => http://www.rovio.com/index.php?mact=Blogs,cntnt01,showentry,0&cntnt01entryid=47&cntnt01returnid=58 (including 5 HTC models) - wonder how many Android devices will not be usable for Logos application ? (essentially limited to http://biblia.com/ web site for mobile access to Logos resources)

Thankful for iPad 1.6 update with split screen reading (2 resources open) - easy to resize split Cool - looking forward to planned Logos features Highlighting.

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Jeff Causey | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 11:27 AM

Ed Burnette has pretty much debunked Meuller's claims.  Not that Meuller posting bogus stuff should be a surprise.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 22 2011 11:56 AM

Jeff Causey:

Ed Burnette has pretty much debunked Meuller's claims.  Not that Meuller posting bogus stuff should be a surprise.

Counterpoint article discusses legal ramifications (even for test files - changing license without copyright owner's approval not a good idea) => http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/android-source-code-java-and-copyright-infringement-whats-go/ - Android future shall be interesting.

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Michael McLane | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 4 2011 6:12 AM

ben:
Andriod Users now outnumber iphone

Actually, this is not true. You are probably mistaking sales for market share, which is easily done (especially when you have continual buy one get one free sales of Android). Particularly if you include the additional 27 million iPads and iPod Touches which were sold in the last quarter which all use the same OS and cannot be discounted but usually are.

Additionally, it will be interesting to see how things pan out now that iPhone is on Verizon as well and most people will no longer have to suffer with a pretend iPhone. Interesting data shows that 24% of Android and Blackberry users are willing to stand in line on Feb. 10 to switch to iPhone (http://www.usamp.com/).

It will be very interesting to see how the next quarter sales trend. Smile

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Mark E. Ryman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 6 2011 3:52 AM

There was another encouraging update this weekend from Dan...

"Android fans rejoice! We made great progress on Logos for Android this week! Can't wait to ship this thing!"

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G Richard Powell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 6 2011 7:28 AM

                                 

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Jeff Causey | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 6:15 AM

Michael Paul:
Actually, this is not true. You are probably mistaking sales for market share, which is easily done (especially when you have continual buy one get one free sales of Android). Particularly if you include the additional 27 million iPads and iPod Touches which were sold in the last quarter which all use the same OS and cannot be discounted but usually are.

According to this article (Android overtakes iPhone in total mobile U.S. user numbers as of November) that came out in early January, at least for the U.S. it is true (if a single source is sufficient to make something "true" Hmm).

In the tablet market, this article (iPad loses significant share to Android tablets) indicates the same scenario is playing out in that market.

My impression is Apple's market share for smartphones and tablets will end up in the same place as PCs, a position that Apple seems content with and really seems to have built their business model around.

 

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 9:10 PM

Jeff Causey:
In the tablet market, this article (iPad loses significant share to Android tablets) indicates the same scenario is playing out in that market.

Wall Street Journal blog offers some tablet share insights => http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/   By the way, % of sales returned shows Android tablet leading iPad => http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20030211-37.html

With Motorola Xoom availability later this month, will be interesting to watch tablet market share (especially after iPad 2 ships).

Jeff Causey:
My impression is Apple's market share for smartphones and tablets will end up in the same place as PCs

For smartphone manufacturers, Apple is # 2 worldwide for 4th Quarter 2010 sales => http://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/07/apple-still-holding-second-place-among-global-smartphone-manufacturers/  - largest Android manufacturer is # 4.  When all Android manufacturers added together, overall # 1 => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/31/google_overtakes_nokia_as_maker_of_top_smartphone_platform.html - good business reason for Logos application for Android.

Appears Apple content to be profitable in smartphone market => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/02/apples_iphone_extends_lead_in_mobile_profits.html

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 8:20 PM

Wonder which Android version(s) will be supported by Logos ?

Appears Google planning Android fragmentation with phone and tablet versions => http://www.pcworld.com/article/218966/android_fragmentation_will_get_more_complicated.html

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 9:36 PM

Android please.

I refuse to buy Apple products.

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Pastor Mark Fontecchio | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 11:59 PM

Could not agree more.

Android please!!!

I also refuse to buy Apple products.

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Jeff Causey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 10 2011 6:30 AM

Some more smartphone market data coming out this week:

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Gartner-IDC-and-ComScore-4Q-smartphone-reports/?kc=LNXDEVNL020911

Nothing really surprising in there.  I'm not sure whether tablet devices are included in this data.  I did note that buried in there was a blurb consistent with my own perception that the big loser with respect to the growth of Android based devices is RIM/Blackberry.  Although on a global scale, it looks like Symbian is starting to fade as well.

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Mark Bjornholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 18 2011 3:38 AM

would love to be able to use Logos on my Atrix...

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Sara Reed Stinchcomb | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 3 2011 9:32 AM

In anticipation of the android Logos 4 would I be better to buy the Motorola Atrix or the HTC Inspiron phone. Also it should work on the Galaxy, right?

Sara Stinchcomb

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