I am a collector by heart.
I have numerous pdfs of famous dead Christians including Calvin's Commentaries off of CCEL.
I have the AGES libraries including Calvin's Commentaries
I have the Online Bible which comes with Calvin's Commentaries.
I was beginning to think of making Logos 3 my one stop shop with Cavin's Commentaries as PBBs.
With Logos 4 I will probably want to integrate Calvin's Commentaries into it.
OK, here is my modest proposal:
Not everything needs to be integrated into my main Bible study tool. It would be useful to be able to right mouse click on Bible reference in a pdf or Doc document to be able to follow an argument the way you can within pbbs or Logos books. Any suggestions.
Several months back BobP asked in a survey if addressing PDF files (and other external sources) was a feature we would like in Logos 4. I gave the strongest positive recommendation I could. I don't think he would ask if it were not possible.
I don't know if he was thinking as far ahead as you are applying it but I LIKE where you are going with this.
I also hope the PBBs can be assimilated into Logos 4 at least as much as Version 3.
For better or worse, we are in an information age. What people say travels very quickly, so that as I heard the quip, we are now capable of misunderstanding each other faster than ever before. This also means that there is a pile of information that we all can see from various sources. Yes, you can load up another program for special resources, but the power of a tool like Logos is that it can pull things out from a pile of thousands of resources and show it all to you in a report, saving you time looking it all up so that you can spend the time evaluating it and learning from it instead of looking for it. Obviously Logos books will have certain advantages in linking across a Logos library. However, by how Logos 4 is pulling in information from wikipedia, google maps, etc. it looks like they are having some features to look beyond the walls of what is in Logos Books.
I would like it if there were some limited access to PDF's in Logos. Probably better would be if it could link in to CCEL online and their marked up books. Of course, I have no idea if this is even possible.
Peter Banks:OK, here is my modest proposal:
My modest proposal would be you sell all the Calvin you have and buy it in Logos here:
Calvin 500 Collection (108 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5169
Kenneth McGuire:Probably better would be if it could link in to CCEL online and their marked up books. Of course, I have no idea if this is even possible.
I'm fairly confident the survey question included HTML as one of the options.
Matthew C Jones: Peter Banks:OK, here is my modest proposal: My modest proposal would be you sell all the Calvin you have and buy it in Logos here: Calvin 500 Collection (108 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/5169
I hope Calvin 500 is a few months away. I've got to get over a new ThinkPad and L4 Platinum upgrade.
Bill
WilliamGMoore:I hope Calvin 500 is a few months away. I've got to get over a new ThinkPad and L4 Platinum upgrade.
I agree Bill,
But if they don''t get it out before next Summer they will have to rename the collection "Calvin 501"
btw: congrats on the Platinum and Thinkpad!
{ EDIT note: "Calvin 501" sounds like a merger of two blue jeans companies }
Let see since March I have spent:
$300.00 for the Leaders Library
$130.00 for the IVP Essentials Library.
$130.00 for the IVP Old Testament Theology Collection
$70.00 Eerdmans OT introduction Collection
$200.00 for James M. Boice Collection.
$100.00 for Vincents and Robertsons Word Studies
$30.00 for Sproul Collection.
$30.00 Geisler Collection.
$15.00 Nelson Ultimate Collection.
$350.00 for some Greek tools
$50 on Misc Essential NT introduct books I can not live without.
$750.00 upgrade to Silver.
All of this in the Last year. I am not sure what that adds up to. Anyway I have to be wise in how I spend my study dollors. Particularly since the Calvin 500 is $400.00 to 1000.00 or Calvin's Commentarys are $130.00 to $399.00 and NICOT/NICNT is around $1600.00 depending when I purchase it. I also need to be able access John Owen, John Bunyan, Baxter, and the Expositor's Bible Commentary not to mention John Piper, Francis Schaeffer, Van Till . Oh oh I need my great great aunt Matilda to die and leave me her fortune. (just joking I really don't have any great great aunts)
The point I am making is that being a man of modest means (and hence the modest proposal) and this growth path needs to managed. Sometimes the deluxe version is not best way to manage expenses and why I suggesting allowing some support for pdf on secondary resources.
Peter Banks:why I suggesting allowing some support for pdf on secondary resources
I strongly agree. I use a number of Orthodox resources that are available in PDF format but unlikely to be added to LOGOS in the near future. While we were still on the newsgroups, LOGOS provided a link for testing out Google image like books ... while the books I chose to look at had some quality issues, I trust that they are still exploring that direction.
MJ. Smith: I strongly agree. I use a number of Orthodox resources that are available in PDF format but unlikely to be added to LOGOS in the near future. While we were still on the newsgroups, LOGOS provided a link for testing out Google image like books ... while the books I chose to look at had some quality issues, I trust that they are still exploring that direction.
Yes, I was thinking a lot of Restoration Movement stuff will be a long time coming to Logos. And the extremely rare stuff on Google. I have found a lot of books by The Society to Promote Christian Knowledge (SPCK) on Google. The problem with Google is most of the books are scanned by volunteers and have many foibles. Every now and then you see a thumb scanned or the page folded over.
Peter Banks: The point I am making is that being a man of modest means (and hence the modest proposal) and this growth path needs to managed. Sometimes the deluxe version is not best way to manage expenses and why I suggesting allowing some support for pdf on secondary resources.
Spoken like a wise steward, Peter.
All the titles by AGES software is in PDF and many source documents. It would be a little less ideal than Logos but certainly better than nothing.
Yes, Google books is nice. Then, of course, there is books.logos.com. Their quality seems to be a bit lower than Google Books, but my real problem with them is that the libraries they scanned. Very few Lutherans, and I am Lutheran. No Melanchthon. No Chemnitz. No Gerhard. No Loehe. No Schmid. No Harms. Admittedly, there may be translation issues with most of these.
Americans aren't much better. No Krauth. No Walther. No Henkel. No Reu.(may be too recent) No Schmauk. No Loy. There was a Schmucker, but I hate Schmucker.
CCEL and NewAdvent would be two very good places though. Maybe Project Caterbury and www.Tertulian.org\fathers But we Lutherans seem to be hidden and our own Project Wittenberg is really rather pathetic by comparison with the other web archives.
I really feel stupid not knowing a single name you referenced.
We Lutherans have kept to ourselves a bit too much.
Philip Melanchthon - Author of the first Protestant Systematic Theology in his Loci of 1521. Author of the Augsburg Confession and its Apology. Reformer of the whole German educational system. After Luther died, he was unable to keep the various Lutheran factions together...
Martin Chemnitz. The Second Martin. Probably the second most influential Lutheran Theologian, after Luther himself. Contributed to Lutheran Unity and the Formula of Concord. Author of the four volume extensive refutation of the Council of Trent that is so complete that it is still sometimes mentioned in Roman Catholic scholarship. Also author of the classic Lutheran statements of Christology (where he is quite dependent on Cyril of Alexandria) and on the Eucharist. Also Author of the Loci Theologici, which is his expansion of Melanchthon's from his lectures.
Johann Gerhard. Arguably the greatest of Lutheran Scholastic Theologians. Originally came to fame for his devotional writings "Sacred Meditations" Author of the Catholic Confession which argued how Lutheranism and not Romanism is the true interpretation of the Catholic Tradition. Also author of yet another Loci (OK, they needed more creative names) which is arguably the crown Jewel of 17th Century Lutheranism.
Johann Konrad Willhelm Loehe. 19th century Bavarian pastor who sent trained hundreds of pastors, teachers and deaconesses all from his small pastorate. While never leaving his homeland, he became one of the most influential figures in both American and Australian Lutheranism. Organizer of the Frankenmuth mission to Michigan. Founder of two American Lutheran Seminaries. (Fort Wayne and Wartburg) Author of Seed Grains of Prayer and 3 Books on the Church.
Schmid. 19th century German who created the one volume summary of 17th Century Lutheran theology "The Doctrinal Theology of the Lutheran Church", which was one of the most common theological textbooks for bringing back traditional Lutheran teaching.
Klaus Harms. His 1817 theses lead to the Lutheran reawakening which made resistance to the Prussian Union possible.
I forgot Th. Harnack. The orthodox father of Adolf whose Theology of Martin Luther was quite influential
Charles Porterfield Krauth. Founder of the Philadelphia Seminary and the General Council because Lutheran teaching was so ignored in the General Synod. His Conservative Reformation and its Theology is an English Language Lutheran theological classic.
CFW Walther. Influential founder of the LCMS. His writings on Law and Gospel and Pastoral Theology are still classics. Also long time editor of a theological journal (in German)
The Henkel Brothers were the first translators of the Book of Concord into English and by their pastoral activity and writing brought traditional Lutheranism to Tennessee.
Johann Michael Reu was a LONG time teacher at Wartburg for about the first half of the 20th Century. Luther Scholar and Pedagogue. Wrote monumental volumes on the Small Catechism and Augsburg Confession and their backgrounds. His own explanation of Luther's small catechism (based on Loehe) is probably my favorite at bringing OUT the catechism instead of being theology around the catechism.
Theodore Schmauk - Basically maintained the Krauth tradition. Author of the Confessional Principle and the Confessions of the Lutheran Church.
Matthias Loy - Major figure in the Joint Synod of Ohio of the generation before Lenski. First an ally of Walther, but they broke over the Predestination question, which shattered the 19th Century Synodical Conference. Major work is The Doctrine of Justification which is basically a collection of journal articles from his career.
SS Schmucker - Gettysburg Seminary leader. 19th century ecumenical figure. Got in trouble when he put out an American version of the Augsburg Confession which "corrected" the views of it to make it fit more with American religion. Specifically he denied Baptismal Regeneration, the Real Presence and Confession and wanted to replace traditional worship with the new measures of Finney. There was quite the orthodox reaction and his views were repudiated by even his son, even if they have been influential to this day.
I admit to looking a few things up to make sure I had it right, but yes, almost all of this was off the top of my head.
I don't suppose that we could get Cranach's works as a graphical resource...
External resources, particularly if they start out as pdf, and are indexed, would be a great feature for Logos.It would be great if you could add a pdf to your library, where it would be indexed, biblical references could be tagged much like reftagger, maybe hyperlinked.
Other software does it. Bibleworks is very friendly to enternal resources. Another that allows the integration of sources is a French program called Ictus Win, http://infos.ictuswin.com/ It is focused for French speaking people, but an smaller international version is available for free from the Vatican http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerus/index_eng.html The program does pretty much only cited by, and while its inteface is painful, the resources, when they can be navigated, are very helpful to Catholics and not likely to appear in Logos. More importatnly it allows you to enter a plain text file and it extracts biblical citations and indexes the file. It then shows up with all the other resources in a search.
I suspect that logos relies on publishing high quality versions of public domain works as part of their profit margins, but allowing us to put our own pdf's in our library, say articles and disertations realted to our own research work, or denomination specific works, would increase the time we are using Logos, making future investments in resources more valuable to us.
Matthew C Jones: WilliamGMoore:I hope Calvin 500 is a few months away. I've got to get over a new ThinkPad and L4 Platinum upgrade. I agree Bill, But if they don''t get it out before next Summer they will have to rename the collection "Calvin 501" btw: congrats on the Platinum and Thinkpad! { EDIT note: "Calvin 501" sounds like a merger of two blue jeans companies }
Thanks. I really like the ThinkPad. My HP Pavilion would get pretty toasty, but the TP runs really cool.
At the time of responding to your post, Matthew, you have 501 of them.
I forgot to add Spurgeon and Luther to list of the first tier resources I will need to add to my Logos over time. I would love to find a soft copy of Luther's Lectures on Roman. I have a hard copy and found it very useful when struggling out my hope some 30 plus years ago.
Anyway, getting shortcut buttons working for my various other resources in Logos 4 was really useful and reduces some of my concerns.
Anyway, may be a one stop shop for study stuff may not be possible or even desirable. Logos does have a neat interface and it does offer some really really neat resources that are also really expensive. Getting pbbs back reduce some of the pain.
Thanks for the understanding.
Kenneth McGuire:For better or worse, we are in an information age. What people say travels very quickly, so that as I heard the quip, we are now capable of misunderstanding each other faster than ever before
My friend's favorite thing to say to me is:
"You got Logos? Great! Now you can be wrong faster than ever!"
nice. :)
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