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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 21 2011 5:54 AM

Sports Fans: Thomas Nelson & Vyrso are running a promotion on the book Pujols: More Than The Game while the World Series lasts.

http://vyrso.com/product/12102/pujols-more-than-the-game?utm_source=ThomasNelson&utm_medium=email&utm_content=textlink&utm_campaign=worldseries

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 6:32 AM

alabama24:
Sports Fans: Thomas Nelson & Vyrso are running a promotion on the book Pujols: More Than The Game while the World Series lasts.

I read the blurb from Nelson on the book.  I noted the comment regarding his interchange with opposing players on 1st.  I really find that off-putting.  One's influence on others is generally not to be effected through hit-and-run tactics.  One can best influence others by as regular and sustained life and conversation.  I remember once being accosted by some nitwit in a Costco in Virginia.  He felt it his duty to give me the full-boat testimony.  Everything in me was crying out to tell him he was making a mockery of the faith, but I restrained myself.  Most often I think those who engage in such "witness" are mostly witnessing to their desire to appear to be religious — in their own eyes.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 7:16 AM

I haven't read it yet. If I remember, I will tell you what I think when I do. One difference between your experience and the one you described from the book is that Albert knows the players he is talking to. The guy at Costco didn't. (That was me, by the way Stick out tongue)

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 7:18 AM

George Somsel:

alabama24:
Sports Fans: Thomas Nelson & Vyrso are running a promotion on the book Pujols: More Than The Game while the World Series lasts.

I read the blurb from Nelson on the book.  I noted the comment regarding his interchange with opposing players on 1st.  I really find that off-putting.  One's influence on others is generally not to be effected through hit-and-run tactics.  One can best influence others by as regular and sustained life and conversation.  I remember once being accosted by some nitwit in a Costco in Virginia.  He felt it his duty to give me the full-boat testimony.  Everything in me was crying out to tell him he was making a mockery of the faith, but I restrained myself.  Most often I think those who engage in such "witness" are mostly witnessing to their desire to appear to be religious — in their own eyes.

How very sad that you feel this way. I am most impressed with Pujols and his witness. And I'm a Milwaukee Brewers fan who has now seen his team beaten twice by the Cards (1982 WS and this year).

The bible says that word does not return void so anytime a witness goes out with a sincere heart it is blessed. Also, Paul said that a witness even with wrong motives can be used by God for his glory.

I only wish I had more boldness to help people around me learn of the grace of Jesus Christ.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 7:56 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:

The bible says that word does not return void so anytime a witness goes out with a sincere heart it is blessed. Also, Paul said that a witness even with wrong motives can be used by God for his glory.

I only wish I had more boldness to help people around me learn of the grace of Jesus Christ.

Being in favor of boldness does not entail foolhardy recklessness.  Grabbing someone by the collar, shaking him and asking "Are you saved, brother" is not the most effective method of furthering the gospel.  We don't need hit-and-run evangelism.  True, God can do whatever he jolly well pleases including speaking to a person "through a dead dog" as Barth says in his Kirchliche Dogmatiek (or through a braying jackass) or things could fly away from one another rather than being attracted.  There are certain laws which pertain to all aspects of creation including psychology.  The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.

EDIT:  To fail to observe the laws by which God has created and maintains the universe is in itself sin since sin is the failure to observe God's laws.  Hit-and-run evangelism may boost the ego of the would-be evangelist but it generally accomplishes no good.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:10 AM

George,

have you ever heard the true story of the guy who witnessed on "George Street" in Australia?

You might want to give it a listen.

he was described as "acosting" people, "attacking" them, being "obnoxious" "rude" and all manner of things...also kind, and loving....

 

But the bottom line in this story is that this man witnessed to people for 20 years in this same place...coming up to people in a bold witness that has been described like I did above...and God used him to save thousands....

So...that's all that I wanted to point out.

 

Here is the video/audio

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdspKNEzH54

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Paul Oertly | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:12 AM

George Somsel:
The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
Then you consistently break the first rule. Many have pointed out how abrasive and obnoxious your remarks are. You simply joke about the counsel. You seem to think if anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant. How Hypocritical and arrogant. Sad

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:30 AM

wella wella wella...

how 'bout them Cards last night!  ...yeah not so much; but yeah so the series is tied.

'ole Pujols went 0 for 4!?

...Looks like they're headed back to Arlington

...and that Vyrso book!

Man, what a doozy.

Good price!

...

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:35 AM

Paul Oertly:

George Somsel:
The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
Then you consistently break the first rule. Many have pointed out how abrasive and obnoxious your remarks are. You simply joke about the counsel. You seem to think if anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant. How Hypocritical and arrogant. Sad

Well, I may be the forum curmudgeon, but here all, or most of us, are commited to the gospel.  On the street we cannot assume this.  Here we should be able to speak the truth — indeed, it should be imperative that we do so.  So, peace to you, brother.  I really don't care much about your opinion of me. 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:46 AM

Robert Pavich:
he was described as "acosting" people, "attacking" them, being "obnoxious" "rude" and all manner of things...also kind, and loving....

Are you holding this up as the standard by which we are to pattern our lives?  We are admonished in the gospels to be "wise as serpents."  I don't think that being wise involves being rude and acosting people.  Besides, it seems that such rests upon a misconception of salvation as fire insurance.  Salvation involves the transformation of one's life here and now without regard to any hereafter.

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Paul Oertly | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 8:54 AM

George Somsel:
Well, I may be the forum curmudgeon, but here all, or most of us, are commited to the gospel.  On the street we cannot assume this.  Here we should be able to speak the truth — indeed, it should be imperative that we do so.  So, peace to you, brother.  I really don't care much about your opinion of me. 
A most predictable response. I fear you do err in your assessment of forum readers. All are not theologians. Many are baby Christians. Their sensitivities should be considered the same as the folks "on the street." Hiding behind a pet name does not excuse your offensive comments. Sad

(Mt 18:6)

But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. 

 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:02 AM

Paul Oertly:
I fear you do err in your assessment of forum readers. All are not theologians. Many are baby Christians.

I didn't say they were theologians, and they need not be such.  I'm not simply concerned about "sensitivities" by themselves.  "Sensitivities" is what gives us political correctness where we hesitate to speak the truth and end up dancing around a subject.  As Sgt Friday (Jack Webb) used to say in the program "Dragnet", "Just the facts, ma'am."

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Paul Oertly | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:10 AM

There is a difference in justification, and self-justification. You are defending your actions...the very actions you attacked Pujols for. Even worse you attacked him based on hearsay. You haven't even read the book. Sad

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:17 AM

George Somsel:
it seems that such rests upon a misconception of salvation as fire insurance.  Salvation involves the transformation of one's life here and now without regard to any hereafter.
Yes

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:25 AM

Paul Oertly:

There is a difference in justification, and self-justification. You are defending your actions...the very actions you attacked Pujols for. Even worse you attacked him based on hearsay. You haven't even read the book. Sad

Leave the presence of a fool,
for there you do not find words of knowledge.

Prov 14.7

 

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Jonathan Watson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 9:27 AM

Please, let's stay on topic (discussing this book from Vyrso) and steer this thread away from evangelism tactics, theology, and personal opinions about each other. Thanks! Smile

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Silent Sam | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:16 AM

Paul Oertly:

George Somsel:
The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
Then you consistently break the first rule. Many have pointed out how abrasive and obnoxious your remarks are. You simply joke about the counsel. You seem to think if anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant. How Hypocritical and arrogant. Sad

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 5:07 PM

George Somsel:
Grabbing someone by the collar, shaking him and asking "Are you saved, brother" is not the most effective method of furthering the gospel.  We don't need hit-and-run evangelism. 

Is this a straw man or have you literally experienced this? And has anyone ever seen Albert Pujols do this?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 5:37 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
Is this a straw man or have you literally experienced this? And has anyone ever seen Albert Pujols do this?

I haven't seen exactly this, but sometimes it comes dangerously close.  No, I don't go to the park to see the games and I haven't watched TV for about 15 yrs (I even got rid of mine) so I haven't seen Pujols do this.  I'm simply going by the blurb from Nelson.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 21 2011 6:18 PM

Jonathan Watson:

Please, let's stay on topic (discussing this book from Vyrso) and steer this thread away from evangelism tactics, theology, and personal opinions about each other. Thanks! Smile

Perhaps that should be the Cardinal rule....   Geeked

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