BUG: Visual Filter Generating False Positive Results?

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Theophilus | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 3 2011 8:23 AM

I'm new to visual filtering, and a Hebrew novice, so I need some help with this please.

I was trying to Visual Filter all the occurrences where the Divine Name "I AM" is used.

If I filter by < lemma:אהיה > only, then just the word "AM" is visually filtered in NASB1995 and just the word "I" is visually filtered in ESV. I want both words "I AM" to be visually filtered.

On the other hand, if I just filter by < "I AM" >, then I get many other unwanted results where "I am" is used in English (eg. Gen 15:1,2), but is not with reference to the Divine Name. I don't want this.

So I tried filtering by < lemma:אהיה AND "I AM" >. I supposed that, if both conditions are met, I should get both words "I AM" (in English) visually filtered, whilst other occurrences of "I am" which do not correspond with < lemma:אהיה > will be omitted. I tried out this query in a Morph Search and sure enough, only 2 verses show up:

 

 

But when I applied this same query to the Visual Filter, the following results showed up:

(a) Ex 3:14 and Hos 1:9 are correctly filtered. (In this case, they show as light blue instead of purple background because of the Search query that is highlighting the results. No worries about that.)

(b) Ex 3:13 and Ex 3:16 are apparently incorrectly filtered. They do not match < lemma:אהיה >, and yet show up. Why?

(c) Gen 15:1 and Gen 15:2 are correctly not filtered, as they do not match < lemma:אהיה >, even though "I am" appears in English.

 

Incidentally, I'm no longer really concerned about the usefulness of applying a visual filter for this word, since the "I AM" only occurs in two verses in the whole bible! It's much easier to simply highlight it manually.

But what intrigues me now is, how is it that I can use the exact same query in Morph Search and in Visual Filter, and get different results? Did I miss something?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 3 2011 12:18 PM

Theophilus:
But what intrigues me now is, how is it that I can use the exact same query in Morph Search and in Visual Filter, and get different results? Did I miss something?

Concur puzzling; may want to edit thread title to add BUG: prefix.  WIki Using the Forums => Editing or deleting posts

Using Logos 4.5 Beta 4, can replicate visual filter weirdness: appears AND is effectively an OR (even inside a parenthetical expression from search "Make Filter" button)

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In ESV, have one visual filter active that shows both visual filter conditions are highlighting Exodus 3:15

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Theophilus | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 3 2011 5:00 PM

Thanks, Smiling. Thread title edited.

Any input from others welcomed too. Thanks.

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2012 3:45 AM

Theophilus:
So I tried filtering by < lemma:אהיה AND "I AM" >

Wonder about replacing AND with WITHIN 0 WORDS ?

"I AM" WITHIN 0 WORDS lemma:אהיה

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 18 2012 1:55 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus got it: you'll want to use WITHIN 0 WORDS. There is some additional help and information here: http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help

As to the discrepancy between the Search and the Visual Filter when using the boolean operator, I have put in an inquiry to development regarding this.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 18 2012 6:14 PM

Ann Boyles:
As to the discrepancy between the Search and the Visual Filter when using the boolean operator,

It is as though the VF range was expanded from verse to chapter. Note that Bible Search  <lemma = af/he/אהיה>  AND  "I am"  gives the correct results in the VF.

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Theophilus | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 18 2012 6:58 PM

Thanks so much. Appreciate all the help.

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Theophilus:

But what intrigues me now is, how is it that I can use the exact same query in Morph Search and in Visual Filter, and get different results?

This is a bug in the Morph Visual Filter code that will be fixed in 4.5c Beta 2.

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