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Dean J | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 8 2011 4:57 AM

Currently on $160 and stuck there, but the $50 bids just need a little push:

http://www.logos.com/product/8522/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-revelation

 

 

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 5:20 AM

I'm already in at $50.  Smile

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 5:29 AM

Dean053:

Currently on $160 and stuck there, but the $50 bids just need a little push:

http://www.logos.com/product/8522/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-revelation

 

I think they need a BIG push. Big Smile

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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 5:37 PM

I think you're right - I don't think it has moved in weeks. I'll try not to get my hopes up to high for this one.

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 5:43 PM

There is no way I'll pay $150 or so for sets like this. Best to bid $50 or so, and forget about it for a year or two. Using that method, it seems I'm going to get "Great Texts of the Bible" for $30 when its in paper form in a shop for $250 and so large as to take up half the known universe.

If we push too hard and fast on something, all that happens is we pay too much!

There! Thats my cheap-skate method on books. However, its a shock to find that 100 books at $50 is still 5000! Ops! Tongue Tied

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 6:36 PM

I took George Somsel's advice on this quite some time ago and placed a bid for $50 (U.S.) which in reality is the highest that I can go at this time anyhow. It may take quite some time but Barne's finally made it out of community pricing so that proves there is always hope until Logos just gives up completely and pulls it off the site. Yes

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MJD | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 6:57 PM

This commentary set has a half dozen posts on trying to get people motivated to bid.  I know George had a plea to bid $50, because not many would actually bid the $160 minimum opening bid posted.

I am in for $50, so I will wait it out, and hopefully others jump on board!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 7:26 PM

I didn't notice Fenton Hort was included, specifically concentrating on the greek and published after his death.

After I spent a lot of time analyzing Rev's greek patterns, I moved on. Maybe time to come back. $50.

Trying to move the max-price from $160 to $50 is going to be tough - need 3 $50's for each $160.


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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 8 2011 10:27 PM

Denise Barnhart:
Trying to move the max-price from $160 to $50 is going to be tough - need 3 $50's for each $160.

Observation: 5 bids of $ 160 = $ 800, which needs 16 bids of $ 50 to match (bit more than 3 to 1), 17 bids of $ 50 is more than $ 800.

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Garrett Ho | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 12:49 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Observation: 5 bids of $ 160 = $ 800, which needs 16 bids of $ 50 to match (bit more than 3 to 1), 17 bids of $ 50 is more than $ 800.

Don't forget that the $160 bids are factored in at the lower prices as well.

When people lower their price point to $50, the progress at $50 doesn't change - only the shape of the curve past that point. Perhaps there is a psychological benefit of seeing $50 as the highest peak, but otherwise, what we really need are NEW bids.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 4:22 AM

Garrett Ho:

When people lower their price point to $50, the progress at $50 doesn't change - only the shape of the curve past that point. Perhaps there is a psychological benefit of seeing $50 as the highest peak, but otherwise, what we really need are NEW bids.

Lets try an EXPERIMENT.  Everyone with a bid at $160 please lower your bid to $50.  Then we will watch and see if the NEW bids come in.  [[three new bids for every lowered 160 bid]] If at the end of a month nothing has happened [[many new bids at 50]] then they are free to reset their bids back up to $160 and wait and wait and wait.  [[problem is that too many of the $160 bids are NOT by regular forum readers and thus they will not try this experiment]]  [[the consensus is that those 160 bids are keeping other out of the game]]

re: psychological benefit ==> fits budget and can buy    

[[private note to the 160 bidders - Yes, we saw your comments that the hard copy versions are worth the 160 plus]]

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 4:36 AM

I've been at $50 for a while, lowered mine back when this strategy was first proposed. The peak at $50 has definitely gone up (perhaps even doubled) but it is not yet higher than the $160 peak, so it shows up red on my bidding page. This can be scary for folks who really want to be sure they get this set if it goes into production, so some might not have the guts to leave their bid down at $50 very long. But rest assured: it will still take a while for this to get into pre-pub, and I'm pretty sure (though can't remember positively) that you will get an email alerting you if bidding on this set is going to close soon and you're at risk of not getting it because your bid is too low. At that point you can raise your bid back up. So you've really got nothing to lose by lowering your bid to $50 right now.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 4:37 AM

Garrett Ho:
Perhaps there is a psychological benefit of seeing $50 as the highest peak, but otherwise, what we really need are NEW bids.

I think that's the key here. The high point at $160 scares people off who are never going to be willing to pay that much.

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 7:36 AM

My lower bid is in too.

This was one of the first sets, so likely few first-time bidders realized we could push these into production for $30-$60

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 8:01 AM

Dean053:

Currently on $160 and stuck there, but the $50 bids just need a little push:

http://www.logos.com/product/8522/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-revelation

 

Already in at $50... need a big push--new bidders...

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 8:02 AM

I'm in for $50! Big Smile

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 8:04 AM

Alan Macgregor:

I'm in for $50! Big Smile

Me too.

Soli Deo Gloria,

Randy

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Bob | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 8:58 AM

Dean053

Do we have any idea (or any way to get an idea) of how much the publisher wants for this resource?  Community pricing cannot get below this value.  LOGOS must realize that most of the sales of this resource (with an estimated price tag of $775) will be fro the pre pub folks, so they need to avoid losing to much money on this part of the deal.  That said, my $50 bid is in.

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 9:29 AM

The Classic Commentaries series are typically all public domain works.

What you pay for is the labor of Logos employees to scan/OCR the material, format it to work with Logos features, and proof-read/validate that work

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 10:37 AM

Garrett Ho:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Observation: 5 bids of $ 160 = $ 800, which needs 16 bids of $ 50 to match (bit more than 3 to 1), 17 bids of $ 50 is more than $ 800.

Don't forget that the $160 bids are factored in at the lower prices as well.

When people lower their price point to $50, the progress at $50 doesn't change - only the shape of the curve past that point. Perhaps there is a psychological benefit of seeing $50 as the highest peak, but otherwise, what we really need are NEW bids.

Apologies Embarrassed since had missed factoring $ 160 bids at lower price.  If 5 bids of $ 160 are placed then 12 more bids at $ 50 is needed to change community price point from $ 160 to $ 50.  Currently appears enough $ 160 bids have been placed to cover ~ 50 % of estimated production cost, with additional bids at $ 50 that only covers ~ 37 % of estimated production cost.  If existing $ 50 bidders increased amount to $ 90, suspect community price would change from $ 160 to $ 90 (about ~ $ 3.33 per volume with discount over 90 % compared to retail).  Other way for community price to drop is enough $ 160 bidders reducing their bids (hoping for lower price to encourage more bidders).

Concur many more new bids are needed.  Also raised my $ 50 bid.

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