3.0 a permanent feature on HD

It appears that I will be required to maintain 3.0 permanently on my computer since when I checked the "upgrade" section I found that I had most of what I wanted in the high priced spread [a margarine ad used to refer to butter as "the high priced spread"] but that only the high priced spread has Aland's Synopsis Quattuor Evangeliorum which I have in 3.0. Bummer !

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Todd Phillips

It appears that I will be required to maintain 3.0 permanently on my computer since when I checked the "upgrade" section I found that I had most of what I wanted in the high priced spread [a margarine ad used to refer to butter as "the high priced spread"] but that only the high priced spread has Aland's Synopsis Quattuor Evangeliorum which I have in 3.0. Bummer !

Or you could just install the 4.0 engine and use it with your current resources.

Mark Smith

I'm sure you were not completely surprised, George. I can't imagine Logos being able to create an upgrade collection for your unique interests. Perhaps for some people a 40% discount on a build-your-own package would be very nice. Then again, maybe Logos doesn't have too much you'd want that you don't have. You're a tough guy to please.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31427#Comment_31427

I'm sure you were not completely surprised, George. I can't imagine Logos being able to create an upgrade collection for your unique interests. Perhaps for some people a 40% discount on a build-your-own package would be very nice. Then again, maybe Logos doesn't have too much you'd want that you don't have. You're a tough guy to please.

I'm really most easy to please -- just give me what I want. [;)] I can prove that I'm easy to please since I have the licenses to show that. I started adding up what I had spent and stopped at $5,000.00 without finishing what I had purchased. I simply have different interests from many -- that's what makes life interesting.

BTW: Would it be considered an upgrade since I already have it albeit not in resource form but in a program function?

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31424#Comment_31424

Just the engine upgrade doesn't help. The problem, so far as I can see it, is that Logos has reworked some tools so much that they are calling them entirely new. I have seen complaints about Biblical People and Lectionary and the engine only upgrade. It is also an issue for some other tools.

I just brought my 1GB memory laptop to it't knees by running passage guides in both 3.0 and 4.0 at the same time on the Gospel Lesson for this Sunday. I get the following in 3.0 Original Languages:

Parallel Passages

A Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels (Burton, Goodspeed)

Old Testament Quotations and Allusions in the New Testament (Jones)
- 2 Kings
  - 2 Kings 12:9 Mark 12:41
- Mark
  - Mark 12:41 2 Kings 12:9
Synopsis of Matthew, Mark, and Luke (Jackson)
Eusebian Canons
A Harmony of the Gospels (Robertson)
Records of the Life of Jesus (Sharman)

A total of 6 different parallel passages datasets had links for this section of Mark 12 in Libronix 3

However, when I run the same passage in 4.0 (likewise Original Languages SE) I only get

Old Testament Quotations and Allusions (Jones)
Synopsis of Matthew, Mark, and Luke (Jackson)
A Harmony of the Gospels (Robertson)

George is basically complaining that in order to get the big-wig, accademically standard Gospel Reference for this type of work, he must upgrade to a package which has a LOT more than he wants to pay for, just for functionality he already has in 3.0 because Logos has "enhanced" these datasets by turning them into books, so the old datasets do not work anymore.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31463#Comment_31463

George is basically complaining that in order to get the big-wig, accademically standard Gospel Reference for this type of work, he must upgrade to a package which has a LOT more than he wants to pay for, just for functionality he already has in 3.0 because Logos has "enhanced" these datasets by turning them into books, so the old datasets do not work anymore.

You don't seem to have Aland -- unless you simply skipped it. I was reminded by your listing that the Eusebian Canons also aren't in 4.0. Yet another reason to keep 3.0.

I just paged through my library in 3.0 and found that several resources were either missing or corrupt so I redownloaded them from the ftp site. I did find, however that there is a topical index to the NASB (NASBTOP.lbxlls) which I couldn't find on the ftp site. I do have it in 4.0, but it's missing in 3.0 and can't be located on the ftp site. Although I've never used it, I don't want to come to the point where I want to use it for some reason but can't locate it.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31424#Comment_31424

Or you could just install the 4.0 engine and use it with your current resources.

Huh??? I'm doing that now. My problem is that so long as I am missing features in 4.0 that I have in 3.0, I can't get rid of 3.0.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31490#Comment_31490

I was reminded by your listing that the Eusebian Canons also aren't in 4.0.

I have this resource in my 4.0. You should also.

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31490#Comment_31490

You don't seem to have Aland -- unless you simply skipped it. I was reminded by your listing that the Eusebian Canons also aren't in 4.0. Yet another reason to keep 3.0.

Yeah, I kinda grubled when I saw that the Eusebian canons were not in Original Languages and that I needed to go to "Scholars" to get them. And Yes, I don't have the Aland, although I do wish I did. Where did you get yours?

I do wish that OLL had these datasets instead of, oh, the Crossways "Exploring" books or the Biblical Manhood and Womanhood...

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31595#Comment_31595

Since posting, I found where I had the comparison lists for OC and QB. Aland and Eusebius were for Scholars and above for both those collections. I don't know where I got the Eusebius for 3.0, but I am glad I do.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31617#Comment_31617

Since posting, I found where I had the comparison lists for OC and QB. Aland and Eusebius were for Scholars and above for both those collections. I don't know where I got the Eusebius for 3.0, but I am glad I do.

I have the Original Languages collection, greatly supplemented, and have both the Aland Synopsis and the Eusebian Canons in 3.0. If it isn't available for the OLL in 4.0, I guess I'll need to hold on to 3.0 since I don't intend to shell out for resources I don't particularly want to own.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31634#Comment_31634

If it isn't available for the OLL in 4.0, I guess I'll need to hold on to 3.0 since I don't intend to shell out for resources I don't particularly want to own.

Your 3.0 versions will work in 4.0. I have no idea if my Eusebian Canons is in 3.0 or 4.0 format but it works in 4.0. Since you already have it if a 4.0 version of the resource comes out (if it hasn't already) yours will be updated.

Debra W Bouey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31643#Comment_31643

Ditto on this end, Mark ... and George. The Eusebian Canons is in my 4.0.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31643#Comment_31643

Your 3.0 versions will work in 4.0. I have no idea if my Eusebian Canons is in 3.0 or 4.0 format but it works in 4.0. Since you already have it if a 4.0 version of the resource comes out (if it hasn't already) yours will be updated.

I doubt that since in 3.0 neither the Eusebian Canons nor Aland's Synopsis is an actual resource. They are "Tool | Bible Comparison | Parallel Passages and Harmonies" functions. What are those files named in 4.0? Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong name.

Robert J Smith

I had several resources in L3 that were only shown in the portfolio upgrade. I upgraded to a lower level and still have those resources in L4. If you've bought it you own it and the download gives it to you.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31693#Comment_31693

Your 3.0 versions will work in 4.0. I have no idea if my Eusebian Canons is in 3.0 or 4.0 format but it works in 4.0. Since you already have it if a 4.0 version of the resource comes out (if it hasn't already) yours will be updated.

I doubt that since in 3.0 neither the Eusebian Canons nor Aland's Synopsis is an actual resource. They are "Tool | Bible Comparison | Parallel Passages and Harmonies" functions. What are those files named in 4.0? Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong name.

I have it in my L4mac Alpha version George.

Debra W Bouey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31693#Comment_31693

Your 3.0 versions will work in 4.0. I have no idea if my Eusebian Canons is in 3.0 or 4.0 format but it works in 4.0. Since you already have it if a 4.0 version of the resource comes out (if it hasn't already) yours will be updated.

I doubt that since in 3.0 neither the Eusebian Canons nor Aland's Synopsis is an actual resource. They are "Tool | Bible Comparison | Parallel Passages and Harmonies" functions. What are those files named in 4.0? Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong name.

Eusebian Canons ... really.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31742#Comment_31742

Your 3.0 versions will work in 4.0. I have no idea if my Eusebian Canons is in 3.0 or 4.0 format but it works in 4.0. Since you already have it if a 4.0 version of the resource comes out (if it hasn't already) yours will be updated.

I doubt that since in 3.0 neither the Eusebian Canons nor Aland's Synopsis is an actual resource. They are "Tool | Bible Comparison | Parallel Passages and Harmonies" functions. What are those files named in 4.0? Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong name.

I have it in my L4mac Alpha version George

What package do you have?

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31761#Comment_31761

What package do you have?

I have Scholar's Gold.

The way this works in 4.0 is different than in 3.0. In 4.0 it is a stand-alone resource, not part of a tool. Perhaps that's why you don't have it in 4.0? My thinking would have been that it was a resource in 3.0 so you should get it in 4.0, but I don't have it listed as a separate resource in my 3.0 resource directory. It must just be part of a tool in 3.0. How did you get it? If it was in the 3.0 OLL it should be provided as an upgrade in 4.0. If this is so and you don't have it, maybe Logos overlooked including it.

Here's a shot of it in 4.0. You can see it's just another resource.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31761#Comment_31761

What package do you have?

Scholars.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31825#Comment_31825

What package do you have?
Scholars.

That explains it since the Scholars Library is the lowest priced package containing these items. I have the OLL heavily supplemented by resources found in the more expensive packages including some found only in the Portfolio package. Since I had it in 3.0, even though it was not a separate resource, I feel I should also have it in 4.0.

PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY -- TYRANNY HAS RAISED ITS UGLY HEAD WITH THE HOUSE PASSAGE OF THE SO-CALLED "HEALTH CARE REFORM."

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31693#Comment_31693

I doubt that since in 3.0 neither the Eusebian Canons nor Aland's Synopsis is an actual resource.

This is an area where Logos did themselves proud. The canons are an actual parallel resource ... and (sort of) a pericope resource. I think Logos has made a big jump forward for academics in this area.

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31891#Comment_31891

Martha, I actually agree. The new system is better. I just wish that I had it, especially since I did have a lesser form of it before.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31848#Comment_31848

Since I had it in 3.0, even though it was not a separate resource, I feel I should also have it in 4.0.

I do agree with you, George. Maybe someone from Logos can chime in and explain the change and whether there is a way to restore those resources to you and others.

Mike W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/31490#Comment_31490

These are both books in version 4. My understanding is that if we have the resource in 3 and licenses are syncronized then these resources will download to version 4. I installed from the file on the logos server and all of my old and third party resources installed (including ten year old books that Logos is no longer licensed to sell).

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/32217#Comment_32217

My understanding is that if we have the resource in 3 and licenses are syncronized then these resources will download to version 4.

The issue seems to be that these technically were not 'resources' in 3.0. They were part of a tool. I agree that the functionality these provided in 3.0 should not be taken away in 4.0 from those who had them. Logos can sell rearranged packages as they choose, but should be sure to make equivalent resources available to upgraders.

Mike W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/32220#Comment_32220

My understanding is that if we have the resource in 3 and licenses are syncronized then these resources will download to version 4.

The issue seems to be that these technically were not 'resources' in 3.0. They were part of a tool. I agree that the functionality these provided in 3.0 should not be taken away in 4.0 from those who had them. Logos can sell rearranged packages as they choose, but should be sure to make equivalent resources available to upgraders.

That seems like a technicality, It would be interesting to find out what Logos actual position is on this since this.[:^)]

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/32253#Comment_32253

That seems like a technicality

Giving Logos the benefit of the doubt they may not have caught this. Afterall it is George and only three other people who actually own the Original Languages Library. [;)]