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LimJK | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 3 2012 4:44 AM

Hi Bokman,

May I know

  • how much free disk space you are left with in your SSD after installing Win 7 and Logos 4 and whatever else.
  • what brand and model SSD you are using

Thoughts: You need to have sufficient Free Disk Space for most SSD to work properly, also depending on which brand and model the Garbage Collection behavior of the respective firmware can be quite different.

Sounds like your RamDisk solution avoided the littering of Logos temp files on your SSD that your SSD garbage collection process cannot catchup with.

I am new to SSD, I would expect SSD to be able to work without resorting to using RamDisk like in your case, as you might want to memory to be available for other purposes. I would like to understand a little more, would appreciate your answer to above questions. Thanks.

JK

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 3 2012 5:48 AM

Bill Cook:
Do I need to create a disk, format to NTFS, create a TEMP directory and modify the user variables to point to that directory?

Essentially yes.  After creating disk, also assigned drive letter (R:) along with formatting NTFS (to match format of my Windows 7 partitions).

Personally using two accounts on Windows 7: administrative and standard.  I used the administrative account to: create RAM disk, assign drive letter (e.g. R:), format NTFS, create a folder on my R: drive with standard user name, and verify/change folder permissions so standard user can folder.

For RAM Disk, have chosen to save contents when shutting down and load them during startup (autosave is unchecked).  After creating folder in R: drive, restarted computer to check R: drive operation, including folder being available after restart.  Note: needed to save disk image first before could check load image at startup.

As my standard user, created Temp directory within my R: drive user folder, then changed environment variables using Windows 7 Control Panel for User Accounts.

By the way, personally learned a RAM Disk of 320 MB is adequate for normal Logos 4 use, but is too small for completely rebuilding my library index.  To allow rebuild index to complete, changed environment variables to use C: drive.  After indexing done (bit over 3 hours later), closed Logos 4, then changed environment variables back to R: path.

LimJK:

Sounds like your RamDisk solution avoided the littering of Logos temp files on your SSD that your SSD garbage collection process cannot catchup with.

Solid State Disk (SSD) has finite capacity for changing bits so avoiding temporary file writes and deletes effectively extends SSD usable life.  SSD controllers spread file writes to level flash memory wear in SSD.

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LimJK | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 3 2012 6:35 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Solid State Disk (SSD) has finite capacity for changing bits so avoiding temporary file writes and deletes effectively extends SSD usable life.  SSD controllers spread file writes to level flash memory wear in SSD.

Keep Smiling Smile

Point taken ... read somewhere that the life time write cycles for each cell in SSD is in the order of 5,000 to 10,000. So, anything that helps to reduce wear is good.

I think, if wear leveling is working correctly, it should represent quite a few years of useful life. Smile I have 3 years warranty.

JK

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 3 2012 4:56 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application; personally downloaded free RAMDisk software and configured a 640 MB R: RAM Disk for temporary file use by my Windows 7 standard user.  After changing user environment variables (TEMP and TMP), Logos 4 searches are now writing temporary files to RAM instead of disk; RAMDisk configuration includes writing to/from disk when restarting computer so temporary files have persistence across reboots.

I have installed this program.  To get it to work with L4 do I need to do anything special?  You mentioned changing the TEMP and TMP variables?  Can you give me a few details for setting this up so that it speeds up L4?  I appreciate your help!

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Tim Engwer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 3 2012 5:44 PM

I have a C:\  disk drive formatted for NTFS

After looking at this I am assuming that I should just change the environment variable Temp and tmp to point to the ramdisk (ie. R:\Ramdisk).  Also do I use the fat 32 setting?  Do I check the "create Temp directory" checkbox? 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 3 2012 6:11 PM

Tim Engwer:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application; personally downloaded free RAMDisk software and configured a 640 MB R: RAM Disk for temporary file use by my Windows 7 standard user.  After changing user environment variables (TEMP and TMP), Logos 4 searches are now writing temporary files to RAM instead of disk; RAMDisk configuration includes writing to/from disk when restarting computer so temporary files have persistence across reboots.

 

I have installed this program.  To get it to work with L4 do I need to do anything special?  You mentioned changing the TEMP and TMP variables?  Can you give me a few details for setting this up so that it speeds up L4?  I appreciate your help!

For searches and indexing, Logos 4 writes many temporary files.  By convention, the TEMP and TMP environment variables have the same path to a folder for temporary files.  Many programs on Windows use the TEMP and TMP variables so changing these environment variables to use a RAM Disk also affects other programs.

Some Windows programs create a lot of temporary files and leaves them.  If using a RAM disk for temporary files, recommend periodically checking TEMP folder for leftover stuff, which can be moved elsewhere or deleted.

Windows 7 uses memory for caching files so a smaller RAM disk allows Windows 7 to cache more files.

Earlier in this thread posted several setup details => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/42235/320135.aspx#320135 wonder what question(s) remain ?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 5:13 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

After looking at my Temp usage, changed my RAMDisk size to 324 MB along with deleting Temp contents.

Initial resource release for Dictionary of Latin Forms provided a reason to rebuild my library index, which ran out of Temp space (needed  more than 283 MB)  so changed environment variables to use C: drive while rebuilding index.  

Thankful for later release of Dictionary of Latin Forms that has smaller index impact.

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Likewise partitioned my hard drive so the fastest partition has custom Logos 4 installation and Windows 7 page file => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24555/295852.aspx#295852

With initial Dictionary of Latin Forms resource, also experienced my F: partition (40 GB) running out of space since did not have enough space for postings to be merged into a new copy of Library Index along with temporary indexing files.  Temporary workaround was moving page file.

With my Logos library growing from sales and freebies, anticipating disk modification will be needed to increase my F: (Fast) partition size from 40 GB to 64 GB.

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Patrick Rietveld | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 6:56 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
After creating disk, also assigned drive letter (R:) along with formatting NTFS (to match format of my Windows 7 partitions).

Hi, I installed that RAMDisk software, but I didn't see any possibility to format to NTFS. How should I do that?

What else should I do on the Load and Save tab (I didn't understand when you said 'For RAM Disk, have chosen to save contents when shutting down and load them during startup (autosave is unchecked)')? Is everything unchecked?

 

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
As my standard user, created Temp directory within my R: drive user folder, then changed environment variables using Windows 7 Control Panel for User Accounts.

Not sure how to do that. There is so much on this dialog and I don't want to make a mess.

Any help welcome! 

Patrick

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 8:21 AM

Patrick Rietveld:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
After creating disk, also assigned drive letter (R:) along with formatting NTFS (to match format of my Windows 7 partitions).

Hi, I installed that RAMDisk software, but I didn't see any possibility to format to NTFS. How should I do that?

RAMDisk Settings does not have option to format as NTFS so clicked Unformatted.  Computer Management has Disk Management that can create partitions, assign drive letter, and format as NTFS:

After using right click on RAM Disk storage in Disk Management to create a partition (maximum size), noticed couple MB were left unallocated.  Right click on partition also has "Change Drive Letter and Path..." and "Format..."

One way to open Computer Management is right click on Computer, then click Manage.

By the way, screen shot shows 11 % used in my R: drive so has been awhile since periodic cleaning (deleting) of temporary files.  One idea for cleaning is after reboot for installing security updates.

Patrick Rietveld:
What else should I do on the Load and Save tab (I didn't understand when you said 'For RAM Disk, have chosen to save contents when shutting down and load them during startup (autosave is unchecked)')? Is everything unchecked?

After formatting RAM Disk, clicked "Save Disk Image Now" to create image file, then checked Load and Save:

Patrick Rietveld:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
As my standard user, created Temp directory within my R: drive user folder, then changed environment variables using Windows 7 Control Panel for User Accounts.

Not sure how to do that. There is so much on this dialog and I don't want to make a mess.

After RAM Disk is formatted for use, used my standard user account to create a Temp folder in my R: Drive, then clicked Variable to highlight, then clicked edit so could change value to R:\Temp folder. 

Caveat: personally learned to change User Variables back to %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Temp before using rebuild index command in Logos 4 because my RAM disk is too small during library indexing.  After indexes have been created, then can change User Variables to RAM disk for normal Logos 4 use.

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Patrick Rietveld | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 9:49 AM

Thanks for the explanation. I think it works!

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