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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jul 28 2009 11:48 AM

Being one that believes in the Doctrines of Grace (or so called Calvinism), it appears to me that Logos makes a great aim in a lot of their books that they offered to be written by Calvinist, which is good for me.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 28 2009 5:02 PM

Michael,

I, too, am very happy to have the Calvinistic writers available in Logos.  I am especially excited to see many Puritan Fathers collections in Pre-Pub. I would also like to point out these other Logos titles:

Foundations of Pentecostal Theology
Wesleyan–Arminian Collection
  (Methodist)
Church of God Digital Library
Collegeville Catholic Reference Library: Full Edition, Version 3
Messianic Jewish Publishers Collection 
The  Works of H. A. Ironside
   (Independent Fundamentalist Baptist)
Writings From the Ancient World  (Myths)

and the whole series of these publisher's lines 

Fortress Press (Lutheran) too many titles to list!
College Press (Christian Church / Church of Christ)
Broadman & Holman (Southern Baptist) too many to list.

Logos is serving many very well. And I think it is only going to get better.      !

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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 8:01 AM

I would like to see how may calvinist users there are versus non-calvinist users.

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Calvin Habig | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 8:20 AM

You forgot those of us in the third category: Calminians.  Calvinism takes one aspect of biblical truth: God's sovereigny and pushes it to what I believe is an unbiblical extreme.  Arminianism takes one aspect of biblical truth: human free willl and responsibliity and also pushes it to what I believe is an unbiblical extreme.  There are elements of truth in both, but neither totally reflect the entire picture of Biblical truth. Therefore I describe myself as a Calminian.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 8:29 AM

calvinhabig,

I've heard people say they are Calminian but it just doesn't hold water. I believe that saying that Calvinist push the Sovereignty of God to an extreme is usually a straw-man representation of their true position.

I'm interested in your understanding of the "Calvinist position" in a nutshell.  Can you do that?

In my limited experience what usually comes out is an inconsistent Arminian position.

 

(Possibly you'd like to do it through PMs so as to not clog up this thread?)

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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 8:47 AM

Robert,

Amen!!!! Either God is sovereign or He is not. If you push this limited view of God's sovereignty (which is a straw man), where does it stop and man's "free will" break through. It is completely impossible for dead creatures to excercise free will toward anything contrary to their nature. They are free to move in the relams of there nature, but Scripture is clear that dead creature cannot or as the Greek has it "does not have the power" to do anything contrary to that. God must do the work of regenerating, we cannot. I do not see that as an unbiblical extreme, I see that as totally biblical.

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 8:53 AM

CalvinHabig:
You forgot those of us in the third category: Calminians

You mean to tell me there is now a name for us? Big Smile   Glad to know there is a box I can be sorted into now.!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 9:37 AM

Robert Pavich:

I've heard people say they are Calminian but it just doesn't hold water. I believe that saying that Calvinist push the Sovereignty of God to an extreme is usually a straw-man representation of their true position.

I'm interested in your understanding of the "Calvinist position" in a nutshell.  Can you do that?

When I first started studying Calvin I had a hard time understanding why the Calvinists themselves could not agree on what the 5th point is. (Is it "Preservation" of the saints or  "Perseverance" of the saints?) There are self-described  "5 pointers", "4 pointers", "3 pointers".....never heard anyone go quite as low as two.     I am sure that among Calvinists, like among Baptists or Charismatics or Church of Christ flavors, the "hyper"-adherents view all lesser adherents as non-adherents.  I have not yet met a believer (Calvinist, Armenian, or "Calminian") who really thought they came to God without God making the first move. I have met a lot of preachers who mistakenly thought their silky smooth words from a pulpit could win the most hardened heart. THAT is who you need to be contending with.

Regarding the 5th point:  - Literally speaking ,God Preserves the saints OR saints Persevere. No true "hyper"-Calivinist could ever believe in the latter since it gives credit to the saints instead of glory to the Sovereign God.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 9:46 AM

Hi Matthew,

I am a calvinist.

Could i ask you a question on another topic AV only? A yes or No answer will do, so that i am not seen to be hijacking this thread ,if you do not mind.

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Christian B. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 9:54 AM

Since Logos claims to be a publisher that publishes Christian literature only - giving one Christian denomination precedence over others is not a good thing. My impression is also that there are more Calvinist works to be found here than say Lutheran, Roman Catholic or Orthodox. It might have to do with Logos being an american company and that Calvin more than any other theologian enjoys the greatest following "over there". It might also have to do with the fact that it is Calvin-500 and that third-party publishers who contacts Logos are in fact Calvinists (and Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, etc. are just being difficult). Who knows for sure..

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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 10:05 AM

Matthew-

I have never met a calvinist who did not hold to the Perseverance of the Saints. That would be a complete and utter contradiciton. Especaially given the text in John 6 that speaks about the ones that the Father has given to the Son that He will lose none of them. Also, what has been called hyper-calvinism is probably better called sub-calvinism or anti-calvinsim, because it is not Biblical at all.

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 10:18 AM

Michael Huffman:

I would like to see how may calvinist users there are versus non-calvinist users.

That would be interesting but I don't know what purpose it would serve. I'm sure Logos has some idea of the demographics but I doubt that is what is driving the publication decisions or priorities. I did not mean to draw a line in the sand with my post.
I truly am grateful for the writings of Calvin, Spurgeon, and MacArthur.
I am also grateful for the historical works of Philip Schaff,
the evangelistic training materials by Ray Comfort & Larry Moyer,
the clear logic of Aquinas,
the dialogue between Luther and Erasmus,
the practical holy lifestyles of the Methodists & Nazarenes,
the rich insights of the Messianic Jews....

Logos is serving many Christians very well.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 10:27 AM

Ted Hans:

Hi Matthew,

I am a calvinist.

Could i ask you a question on another topic AV only? A yes or No answer will do, so that i am not seen to be hijacking this thread ,if you do not mind.

Ted

Yes. But I'm not willing to draw anyone's blood over which version they should read. 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 10:37 AM

Matthew C Jones:
Yes. But I'm not willing to draw anyone's blood over which version they should read

Thanks, i appreciate this. AV only - would they have an issue with the NKJV? A "Yes" or "NO" answer will do & then i am done. Or you could recommend a book for me to look up.

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Ted.

 

 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 10:51 AM

Michael Huffman:

I would like to see how may calvinist users there are versus non-calvinist users.

What is your purpose in asking this question? This topic has promited heated discussions in the past on the newsgroups, and starting the debate again can serve no good purpose. I note that you made a rather strong statement 46 minutes after posting this. If you were only seek to promote a flame war, you have misused this forum. On another thread, I defended off-topic discussions, but trolling for flame wars is pushing the limit a bit far.

Personally, I enjoy, and profit from, writers of all theological persuasions.

Jack

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 10:51 AM

Christian B.:

Since Logos claims to be a publisher that publishes Christian literature only - giving one Christian denomination precedence over others is not a good thing. My impression is also that there are more Calvinist works to be found here than say Lutheran, Roman Catholic or Orthodox. It might have to do with Logos being an american company and that Calvin more than any other theologian enjoys the greatest following "over there". It might also have to do with the fact that it is Calvin-500 and that third-party publishers who contacts Logos are in fact Calvinists (and Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, etc. are just being difficult). Who knows for sure..

There are probably a whole lot of other factors we are not privy to that effect what gets published and what doesn't. Some would definitely involve copyright issues. The actual money-spending customer base will be of primary consideration. (I ate at a Chinese buffet yesterday that had pizza, spaghetti, tacos & enchiladas. Considering demographics in Oklahoma, that makes sense.) I think the Lutheran perspective is very well represented already. The Catholic writings just hit the Pre-pub page with a fury. I am aware of MANY other denominational views either in Pre-pub or already available. I do have to admire the reformed theology clan for their gusto in pushing availability of their works. It is not just Logos that carries them. Wordsearch & Biblesoft have been outlets for the same titles. One area I wish Logos would go is African Christianity. Considering BobP also runs the division in South Africa I would hope to see the African Commentaries in Logos some day.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 11:21 AM

JackCaviness:

Michael Huffman:

I would like to see how may calvinist users there are versus non-calvinist users.

What is your purpose in asking this question? This topic has promited heated discussions in the past on the newsgroups, and starting the debate again can serve no good purpose. I note that you made a rather strong statement 46 minutes after posting this. If you were only seek to promote a flame war, you have misused this forum. On another thread, I defended off-topic discussions, but trolling for flame wars is pushing the limit a bit far.

Personally, I enjoy, and profit from, writers of all theological persuasions.

Jack

 

Jack

I completely agree with your post.  There is NO purpose for this type of question at all.

 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 11:28 AM

Ted Hans:

Matthew C Jones:
Yes. But I'm not willing to draw anyone's blood over which version they should read

Thanks, i appreciate this. AV only - would they have an issue with the NKJV? A "Yes" or "NO" answer will do & then i am done. Or you could recommend a book for me to look up.

Every Blessings,

Ted.

 

 

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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 12:06 PM

JackCaviness:

What is your purpose in asking this question? This topic has promited heated discussions in the past on the newsgroups, and starting the debate again can serve no good purpose. I note that you made a rather strong statement 46 minutes after posting this. If you were only seek to promote a flame war, you have misused this forum. On another thread, I defended off-topic discussions, but trolling for flame wars is pushing the limit a bit far.

Jack,

I appreciate your comments. This was not asked to flame a war. I know here I stand and do not need to "flame a war". It seems to me that Logos is geared more with reformed works than with works, say of those of Charles Finney. Who, I may add, has been on pre-pub now for a long time and no one  seems to be interested. I wish they would go ahead and take it off....but anyway. Not making an accusation, but I have found that it is usually the semi-pelagian who is arguing about making a war and not wanting to discuss this issue. When, no matter, what side you take, is in the Scripture and must be discussed. Unfortunately, usually what people see is a mean spirited discussion based on emotion and not a spiritual discussion based on the revelation of Scripture. This is a discussion forum, that I understand to be with no limitations as the content. It started as an honest question to see what was the consesus of users, more reformed or more non-reformed. You are welcome to participate or not.

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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 29 2009 12:11 PM

MarkSwaim:

Jack

I completely agree with your post.  There is NO purpose for this type of question at all.

 

Mark,

It is a shame that Biblical truth sparks these attitudes. This was meant as a survey question, nothing more. As I told Jack, I know where I stand and do not need to "flame a war".

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