What Happens to L4 Personal Content When Room Temp is Attained?

Page 1 of 1 (17 items)
This post has 16 Replies | 1 Follower

Posts 794
JRS | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 23 2012 11:22 AM

Just curious.

I know the forum has discussed how a person may will or otherwise turn over Resources to someone else for a small transfer fee ... but what about Personal Content?  I assume the technical aspects of turning PC over to another account is no big deal, but, there are some questions that I have been pondering.  For example:

1) What if one dies intestate?   IOW, what if the PC is never assigned to anyone after a person passes and no one informs L4 that so-and-so has departed?  Does it remain on Logos servers forever?  Is it permanently deleted after a certain period of total inactivity? 

2) And, if there is a will but it doesn't specify a beneficiary for the PC, can the executor simply designate one or more people to receive the PC by simply submitting a letter and a Death Cert to Logos?

3) Would PC that contained personal information about persons other than the deceased (e.g., prayer requests) affect Logos' policy for turning PC over to others?

4) Let's say JRS's PC was never assigned to anyone when he died and it remained inactive on the servers for, say, four generations.  Then some exceptionally bright PhD student decided to write his or her dissertation on the impeccably insightful theology of JRS Wink, is that student (or anyone else) permitted to access JRS's PC simply by asking - or would it take something like a court order?

I am not planning on my demise anytime soon (even though man knows not his time) but I am curious if these things have been considered ...

 

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

Posts 1205
Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 12:22 PM

Interesting Questions...

Posts 450
Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 12:46 PM

More interesting title... I thought they "put you on ice" :D

Posts 18863
Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 1:47 PM

JRS:
4) Let's say JRS's PC was never assigned to anyone when he died and it remained inactive on the servers for, say, four generations.  Then some exceptionally bright PhD student decided to write his or her dissertation on the impeccably insightful theology of JRS Wink, is that student (or anyone else) permitted to access JRS's PC simply by asking - or would it take something like a court order?

I can say quite confidently that if nobody had accessed JRS's PC for four generations, it would take something quite more than a court order to be able to get any data off it or use it once again to log on to Logos, that is if it wasn't already recycled decades ago.

I have no idea about the answer to your question, but it's probably the same for any personal PC software and data, depending on what is the current rule in your jurisdiction. Logos certainly can't care who receives the PC, but they might have some policy you'd have to ask them about regarding who gets to use the dead person's account to log in to Logos (assuming she knew the deceased's password; well, probably the PC was still logged in the last time he used it so if she fired it up again it would just work, but if there were any glitch in the servers she might have to log in again and would need to know his password).

You could probably fend off some of these potential problems by ensuring 1) you have a will; 2) you designate someone to inherit your Logos library; 3) you leave your password in a secure place for your designated heir.

Posts 22658
Forum MVP
Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 3:24 PM

Hi Rosie

I think that JRS is using the abbreviation "PC" to refer to "Personal Content" as opposed to "Personal Computer" - which I think is how you were looking at it.

If I have misunderstood, please accept my apologies!

Graham

Posts 794
JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 3:50 PM

Rosie Perera:
You could probably fend off some of these potential problems by ensuring 1) you have a will; 2) you designate someone to inherit your Logos library; 3) you leave your password in a secure place for your designated heir.

Without a doubt, Rosie, this is the answer that ultimately makes the question(s) moot.  But as you know, this will not be the case for many L4 users as the years roll on ... hence, my curiosity. 

It seems to me that PC stored on a cloud server falls into a rather unique category of data.  We trust Logos to faithfully store, protect, and make available to the User on demand while he or she is alive.  I certainly have every confidence that Bob &Co. is commited to that but it is the after-one-dies scenario that is rather murky.  Logos' commitment to being the caretakers of a lot of information on their servers is a point which I think could engender some potential unintended responsibilities/liabilities - but to what extent?

Delete it too soon or fail to make adequate effort to locate either the User or the estate ... well, I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth even now ... "But I am writing the biography of great-great-great grandfather, George Somsel, and you just deleted the mother lode of information!"

Hang on to it either by design or by simply ignoring it and you might find that you have unintentionally commited yourself to an ongoing archive project that reaches into perpetuity - not to mention the ever-increasing overhead.

Release it to the wrong people and Mrs. Smith might be shocked to find out that her prayer request to the late Pastor Jones concerning her goiter is now common knowledge.

At any rate, I find it an interesting question and one that I am not sure was ever an issue before cloud-based PC became part of our experience.

Again, I am just curious and thinking out loud - maybe it's not even an issue.

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

Posts 794
JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 3:52 PM

Graham Criddle:

Hi Rosie

I think that JRS is using the abbreviation "PC" to refer to "Personal Content" as opposed to "Personal Computer" - which I think is how you were looking at it.

If I have misunderstood, please accept my apologies!

Graham

Correct.  Sorry for the headfake.  Thanks for the clarification, Graham.

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

Posts 18863
Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 3:59 PM

JRS:

Graham Criddle:

Hi Rosie

I think that JRS is using the abbreviation "PC" to refer to "Personal Content" as opposed to "Personal Computer" - which I think is how you were looking at it.

If I have misunderstood, please accept my apologies!

Graham

Correct.  Sorry for the headfake.  Thanks for the clarification, Graham.

Sorry about my misunderstanding. Sorry for my fake head. No, wait, it's JRS who has the fake head in his avatar. Smile

Posts 794
JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 4:08 PM

Rosie Perera:
No, wait, it's JRS who has the fake head in his avatar

Again, sorry (or to quote Steve Martin, "Well excu-u-u-u-se me!").  Here is a more recent picture ...

 

                                                                     

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

Posts 18863
Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 4:12 PM

That can't be a more recent picture, unless you've gone back to paper books from digital books, and your baldness has reversed itself. Smile

Posts 794
JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 23 2012 4:15 PM

Rosie Perera:
That can't be a more recent picture, unless you've gone back to paper books from digital books, and your baldness has reversed itself

Paper has qualities that can't be beat ...

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

Posts 794
JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 13 2012 7:11 AM

Not to be morbid (or wanting to beat a dead horse) but here is a rather interesting article concerning "digital estates and wills" that was published today ...

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/125737-what-happens-when-you-die

 

How blessed is the one whom Thou dost choose, and bring near to Thee(Psa 65:4a)

Posts 1649
Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 13 2012 8:45 AM

JRS:

Not to be morbid (or wanting to beat a dead horse) but here is a rather interesting article concerning "digital estates and wills" that was published today ...

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/125737-what-happens-when-you-die

Interesting writ. But I would consider something: Have your spouse be aware of what is where, possibly a personal brief/clause in your will giving some plausible directions of what to keep and where to find certain stocks, bonds, personal papers, etc., etc., As for the PC well again leave something to a trusted fellow with some form of instructions or guidelines to follow. Possibly encrypted files or password protected data, we all know that without a password access is close to nill.....As to the Logos PC, leave someone instructions on where to get and/or delete/shred what you feel may be overkill for someone else, as to the transfer of the Program that may be abother issue being the current state wherein which it is done by HQ......

If you have plans to relinquish your Personal Computer to another, make them aware of what is what and why this is that and how to understand your flow of file management.......

[edit: remember this----K.I.S.S.  {keep it simple stupid} no offence intended]

hope this helps..

DISCLAIMER: What you do on YOUR computer is your doing.

Posts 18863
Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 13 2012 9:14 AM

Room4more:
If you have plans to relinquish your Personal Computer to another, make them aware of what is what and why this is that and how to understand your flow of file management.......

I have a file on my hard disk called lastword.doc (I get to have one last word after I die, get it?) which has instructions about stuff. I started it many years ago and meant to put in it all the info about accessing my online accounts, where all my important files are, etc. But I still haven't finished it. And the problem is, that info pretty much changes on a weekly basis for me, so it would be a constant work for me to keep it updated enough for people to really know what files I have where, what projects I'm in the middle of, and what I want done with it all. I might have a huge amount of work already invested in some project that I'd probably like to hand off to someone else to finish if I die in the middle of working on it, but designating the right person for each project when my life consists of one solo project after another (or rather three or four at a time, usually) to benefit others, would be difficult.

Posts 15805
Forum MVP
Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 13 2012 6:26 PM

Room4more:
[edit: remember this----K.I.S.S.  {keep it simple stupid} no offence intended]

Personally prefer K.I.S.S.E.S.

  • Keep
  • It
  • Short
  • Sweet &
  • Especially
  • Simple

Thankful for free Vyrso ebook => Glimpses of Heaven: True Stories of Hope and Peace at the End of Life's Journey that was written by a Hospice nurse.

Keep Smiling Smile

Posts 570
Rev Chris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 13 2012 6:40 PM

Rosie Perera:

Room4more:
If you have plans to relinquish your Personal Computer to another, make them aware of what is what and why this is that and how to understand your flow of file management.......

I have a file on my hard disk called lastword.doc (I get to have one last word after I die, get it?) which has instructions about stuff. I started it many years ago and meant to put in it all the info about accessing my online accounts, where all my important files are, etc. But I still haven't finished it. And the problem is, that info pretty much changes on a weekly basis for me, so it would be a constant work for me to keep it updated enough for people to really know what files I have where, what projects I'm in the middle of, and what I want done with it all. I might have a huge amount of work already invested in some project that I'd probably like to hand off to someone else to finish if I die in the middle of working on it, but designating the right person for each project when my life consists of one solo project after another (or rather three or four at a time, usually) to benefit others, would be difficult.

Just hope you don't get hacked!  This is the problem with with keeping a list of passwords on your computer.  If someone gets into your computer, they get into everything else.

Pastor, seminary trustee, and app developer.  Check out my latest app for churches: The Church App

Posts 1649
Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 13 2012 10:18 PM

HMM, well if you DO keep a pwl, then I think that the hackers deserve what they get when they come across it. Personally I do not keep those on the computer…..and if you have ever dealt with a CRC violation……..

DISCLAIMER: What you do on YOUR computer is your doing.

Page 1 of 1 (17 items) | RSS