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Paul Chatfield | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012 12:15 AM

With 3 of these series now closing this Friday and Ephesians close, if you want to get in on these, now's the time to bid :)

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 4:42 AM

Yes

Excited to see this progress!

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 8:25 AM

<sigh> Just couldn't let them go by... I'm back in... Cool

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Oldnewbie | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 8:33 AM

BillS:

<sigh> Just couldn't let them go by... I'm back in... Cool

 

I'm in as well. 

Off topic: Bill I hope all is well with you and your family.  May God bless you richly this day and always.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 8:40 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

I wonder why the K & D commentary on Ezra is included when it appears to be word for word identical with the commentary in their complete set.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 12:29 PM

Oldnewbie:

Off topic: Bill I hope all is well with you and your family.  May God bless you richly this day and always.

Thanks for asking! She's just coming out of 2 complete cycles of chemo & is finishing the last 5 treatments of the 2nd cycle of radiation. At this point, based on all it's done to her body (blood pressure 94 over 70 last night, temp 95, energy feels like it drains out of her feet whenever she stands), we're hopeful that it's also killing the cancer. We have another appt Friday with her oncologist to find out next steps toward figuring out what it's done to the cancer & the "and-on" treatment, if any. For any who don't realize how expensive a "hobby" cancer can be, our medical bills for tests, chemo drugs, radiation, specialist visits, nursing care, & supplies for all the IV work of chemo totaled $17,000 in December alone. January bills (and the start of a new year of deductibles & copays) are just starting to come in.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 12:47 PM

BillS:

Oldnewbie:

Off topic: Bill I hope all is well with you and your family.  May God bless you richly this day and always.

 

Thanks for asking! She's just coming out of 2 complete cycles of chemo & is finishing the last 5 treatments of the 2nd cycle of radiation. At this point, based on all it's done to her body (blood pressure 94 over 70 last night, temp 95, energy feels like it drains out of her feet whenever she stands), we're hopeful that it's also killing the cancer. We have another appt Friday with her oncologist to find out next steps toward figuring out what it's done to the cancer & the "and-on" treatment, if any. For any who don't realize how expensive a "hobby" cancer can be, our medical bills for tests, chemo drugs, radiation, specialist visits, nursing care, & supplies for all the IV work of chemo totaled $17,000 in December alone. January bills (and the start of a new year of deductibles & copays) are just starting to come in.

Do you have insurance to cover that?

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 2:47 PM

George Somsel:

Do you have insurance to cover that?

 

Thanks for asking, George. Yes we do for about 2/3 of it (thus the significance of the start of new year of deductibles & copays... until we hit the cap, it's 20% of costs... ). But when it's an out-of-network cost, there's no limit on what we can get charged. And the science is so new in cancer (pick a type, pick a year) that there's always some part that's out-of-network.  In our case, it was for a genetic test to determine whether the cancer had either of two specific gene mutations, for which in 2011 (one of year's top accomplishments for lung cancer) tailored treatments became available for the 1st time. Genetic tests? $5,000. Out of network.$1,600 covered. But for $12,000 of in-network costs, we'd hit our cap & it was covered 100%.

Ouch.

As one of our members (who's also in chemo & faces a stem cell transplant for multiple myeloma) said, "This is an expensive hobby!"

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 4:04 PM

Alright, before I place my bid I have a legit concern: What's the rationale for getting e.g. 19 volumes of commentaries on one book of the Bible (Philippians) when I may end up using only one of those volumes.  Wouldn't I run the risk of having the same problems like some are having with the Perseus collection; you know, getting their library cluttered with a bunch of useless volumes that they don't even care to read? On my personal opinion, I think though the collections are cheap, there's still the why get them all when most of the older volumes contain about the same explanation on most texts of the Bible?  I don't know, I just started wondering about this whole "Classic Collection" series why get a whole bunch of them on one book of the Bible that will basically say the same thing? Does that make sense?

Let me illustrate a little bit:

Most commentaries will tell you literally the same thing but using different words when interpreting Matthew 5:3 or any other passage.  Being poor in spirit, most of my commentaries say, that it means "to recognize one's spiritual bankruptcy" or as others word it "to acknowledge spiritual bankruptcy" or as the same thing which other commentaries say but with "different words" to be poor in spirit means "those who acknowledge their impoverished condition and desperate dependency upon God." Or "a knowledge of one’s own personal inadequacy (before God)." One last one, "a virtue, must refer not to a poor quality of faith but to the acknowledgment of one’s spiritual powerlessness and bankruptcy apart from Christ (cf. Goodspeed, “Those who feel their spiritual need”)." Do you see the pattern?

So the question is: Why would I want 19 or 28 volumes of commentaries one one single book telling me basically and virtually the same thing but with different words? Is that really worth it even if the price is $40 or $30 or $20 bucks?

I don't want to discourage anybody from placing their bids on what they think is a "great bargain with lots of volumes that make their numbers on their library go higher;" but really, "Is it really worth it?"

Anyway, that's my concern.  I don't want to drag it too long.

Blessings!

DAL





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Evan Boardman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 4:54 PM

For a couple of books that I have .no others can compare to Manton on James,Greenhill on Ezekiel,Durham on Song of Solomon,Haldane on Romans,,Davenant On Colossians,  J.A.A on Acts. Those books alone are worth the price of the whole collection. and maybe and maybe the others are worth while also, I dont know till I read them .Big Smile

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 31 2012 5:49 PM

DAL:
Why would I want 19 or 28 volumes of commentaries one one single book telling me basically and virtually the same thing but with different words?

Since we're all different, different words speak to us. And as one who (for sermon work & Bible studies) each week uses all the commentaries I have on a given Scripture, I'm here to tell you that the newer ones are often focus on text criticism  with some application (criticism is needed, but I only need one of those commentaries). The older ones tend to focus much more on application--with illustrations, which is VERY useful for preaching. Why 19 on one book? They NEVER all have EXACTLY the same stuff. And there's usually a jewel of an illustration in each one--something that this author puts into unique words that speak deeply to me in ways that the others don't. So when I'm looking at them all each week for my sermon text, I'm not going through all of them the same way. I have "go-to" commentaries (after my own exegesis) for help on the text & its meaning (if I've missed)... from then on, I'm looking for illustrations & applications that I may have missed... and it's almost always worth the time. (I can't think of any time that it wasn't.)

Blessings on your studies!

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 1 2012 7:07 PM

3 Classic Commentary Collections at great prices closing Friday noon at $40 or less.

There's still time to drive the prices down.

 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Corinthians (29 vols.) 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Philippians (18 vols.) 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther (18 vols.)

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 1 2012 8:11 PM

Edwin Bowden:

3 Classic Commentary Collections at great prices closing Friday noon at $40 or less.

There's still time to drive the prices down.

 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Corinthians (29 vols.) 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Philippians (18 vols.) 

Classic Commentaries and Studies on Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther (18 vols.)

 

Wow, it really looks like it is possible for Corinthians and Philippians to cross over at $30! That's a fantastic deal.

 

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Paul Chatfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 2 2012 9:25 AM

Indeed and Corinthians for $30 would be an absolute steal.  Any interested at $30, put your bids in now ...

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 2 2012 10:23 AM

DAL:
Wouldn't I run the risk of having the same problems like some are having with the Perseus collection; you know, getting their library cluttered with a bunch of useless volumes that they don't even care to read?

there is always a potential of getting "useless" volumes.  Each of us have a different reason for declaring something "useless", too.  However, let me speak to "clutter" a bit:

  • as commentaries they will be grouped in useful tools like passage guides and the "explorer." 
  • you can prioritize your top commentaries so that they appear first on those lists and not have to wade through the whole list if you don't want to.
  • they WILL be present, and linked to other commentaries (I have heard), so that you can have immediate and easy access if you want to.

DAL:
So the question is: Why would I want 19 or 28 volumes of commentaries one one single book telling me basically and virtually the same thing but with different words?

I can not speak to these specific volumes, because I do not know them very well.  however, several threads have been blessed by posts that have helped me see that man of them were historically foundational for representing various views.  For instance Revelation will have "historicist" volumes as well as post-mill, etc.

You are right that some commentaries are so bland that it seems they are merely shuffling words around.  HOWEVER, here are two things I find extremely valuable, and why I am not in the opinion of several on these forums that you only need "2 or 3" good volumes:

  1. I will find thinking and explanation not found in other volumes.  For instance, in my current study of the beatitudes, I have been investigating what these blessings are about: are they "entrance requirements" or "states of being blessed" after one is in the kingdom.  Some commentaries just pick one or the other side and that is it.  Others go into detail, giving me Old Testament background and connections, or give me more options than just "those two polarities", or they "flesh out" what those words mean  . . .  Having more volumes to access allows you more options and potential that you will find some thought on an issue that other commentaries assume, but don't address, or perhaps don't even consider at all.  If you only have 2 or 3 volumes, chances are you will have many things left unsaid and many blindspots and increased bias.  I find I am glad again and again that I have dozens and dozens of commentaries on each book of the Bible--even if I dont (and can't) access them all all of the time..  When I need it/want it, they are there and they have been very very fruitful
  2. since many of these are foundational, the chances that they are referenced by more modern commentaries increases.  If you have them, you can "check the source" and find out if they are being used correctly, or if there is more to be learned, because you are reading it in context, and not just as a quote or reference.  This, too, is very valuable to those who want to have thorough and accurate research.


And the kicker is that $40 (give or take) is not that much for the many volumes you get.  AND, if you don't like them you can always return them within the 30 day period for a refund.

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Paul Chatfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 2 2012 2:08 PM

Good thinking Dan.  With the 3 Classic Commentaries all closing tomorrow, we'll see whether they'll go down another $10!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 2 2012 11:36 PM

Paul Chatfield:
With the 3 Classic Commentaries all closing tomorrow, we'll see whether they'll go down another $10!

More bids for each Classic Commentary Series could reduce each one by $ 10

Keep Smiling Smile

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 3 2012 4:23 AM

Last call for these three Classic Commentary sets: not likely to go down any further in price,

So now is the time to decide whether you want them at the current bids, or whether you do not want them at all. 

$30 for 18 OT volumes, $40 for 29 volumes on Corinthians, $40 for 18 volumes on Philippians, bid this else you will not get them.

Those holding out at lower bids are going to miss out.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

More bids for each Classic Commentary Series could reduce each one by $ 10

Keep Smiling Smile

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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 3 2012 5:17 AM

I'm going to have to let Ezra pass - just can't afford everything. 

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