Logos is very slow - is this normal

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rkponder | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Feb 11 2012 1:15 PM

Here are the specs for my computer

MacBook Pro early 2011

Processor  2.3 GHz Intel Core i5

Memory  8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3

Software  Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3 (11D50

Ever since updating to 4.5 Logos seems to be very "laggy" (SLOW) very slow. I would think my computer is capable of handling this program. I could be totally wrong though as I am not a big computer guru. Although none of my other programs seem to run as buggy and as slow as this one. Are there some days that it runs slower than others? and does it have anything to do with my internet connection? I was thinking my library is completely downloaded to my computer but maybe not. Any help would be much appreciated.

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 11 2012 1:41 PM

rkponder:

Here are the specs for my computer

MacBook Pro early 2011

Processor  2.3 GHz Intel Core i5

Memory  8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3

Software  Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3 (11D50

Your computer should be adequate to run Logos.

Things that can slow down Logos are indexing and syncing and backing up to Time Machine. When any two of these happen at the same time it can make things rather slow. If all three are happening at the same time then it almost freezes the computer!

rkponder:
I was thinking my library is completely downloaded to my computer but maybe not.

If you have been running Logos for a while and it has been adequate, then it would appear that your library is on your computer, as that is something that happens on your initial installation followed immediately by initial indexing. Updating to version 4.5 did run indexing again, though on my machines it was reasonably quick.

However, the initial 4.5 has been updated itself, as there was an issue with syncing. Make sure your version of 4.5 is SR5. If it isn't then type update now in the command box and select the tool in the dropdown menu and let it download and install. Then let indexing complete, before trying to run the program.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 11 2012 1:50 PM

rkponder:
Ever since updating to 4.5 Logos seems to be very "laggy" (SLOW) very slow.

Please elaborate what feels slow when using Logos 4 Mac.

Curious if Blue Logos icon is in the menu bar ? (appears when Logos is indexing)

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 11 2012 3:16 PM

I'll ditto concerning Time Machine. I've got a much older machine and just 2GB RAM with Snow Leopard but I still get reasonable performance. Because Logos is rather demanding, you probably don't want Time Machine running or other programs that seem to vampire resources. Safari does that. You might want run to maintenance on your computer if this problem continues. Onyx is very good with that and it's free.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 11 2012 3:51 PM

Michael Ballai:
I'll ditto concerning Time Machine.

Wiki Mac Troubleshooting => Slow Performance includes:

Also aware Logos 4.5 indexing on Mac is noticeably slower than PC =Logos 4.5 Beta 12 Library Indexing Speed Regression - Mac is Slow

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 1:00 AM

rkponder:
Ever since updating to 4.5 Logos seems to be very "laggy" (SLOW) very slow.

 

I know that it is counter intuitive - but you do still need to restart your mac occasionally if you run Logos.

Windows code - that underlies the Logos engine - has a built in 'dead man's handle' if you don't let it know you are there by restarting occasionally everything grinds to a halt.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 3:24 AM

Mike Binks:
I know that it is counter intuitive - but you do still need to restart your mac occasionally if you run Logos.

Another reason to get a pc Mike. Smile Just kidding, used a colleague's Macbook Pro last week, and was amazed at how snappy it is. The fact that it hardly gets worked out, may be a factor. Considering converting to a mac for the next laptop. Did I just say that? 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 4:35 AM

Lynden Williams:
Considering converting to a mac for the next laptop. Did I just say that? 

Being drawn toward the light? Hmm

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 4:50 AM

Alan Macgregor:
Things that can slow down Logos are indexing and syncing and backing up to Time Machine.

I use a little utility "Time Machine Editor" to change the backup interval from every hour to every 8 hours. This reduces the slowdown caused by Time Machine. Hourly backups always seemed like overkill, but you may feel differently.

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rkponder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 3:11 PM

Okay after working for a few hours on it yesterday and then again this afternoon - taking in everyone's suggestions and reading the wiki documents. I stumbled upon what looks to be the cause although I'm not sure why it's acting the way it is. I closed the layout I was in and went to another layout that I often use. As soon as I went to the new layout it works great. I went back to the layout I was originally in and back to the slowness. Not a big deal since I can rebuild the layout, just curious what would cause something like that.

Thanks for everyone's help I greatly appreciate your help.

Russ

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 4:00 PM

rkponder:
I went back to the layout I was originally in and back to the slowness. Not a big deal since I can rebuild the layout, just curious what would cause something like that.

It could be that your slow layout had an exegetical or passage guide open with a lot of the subtopics expanded. Biblical People, Places & Things in the Passage Guide can slow things down, as can Word By Word in the Exegetical Guide, particularly when you have a fairly large scripture portion selected. I tend to keep those subtopics closed unless I specifically want the information. Then I close them again after I have finished.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 5:01 PM

rkponder:
I went back to the layout I was originally in and back to the slowness.

Curious what is open in slow layout ?

An option is posting a screenshot so other users can comment.

Also wondering what is slow in old layout ? would like to isolate worst offenders for replication.

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rkponder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 5:20 PM

1602.Slow layout 2.tiff

0121.slow layout 1.tiff

I use a second monitor that's why you will find two screen shots.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 12 2012 11:07 PM

Looking at screen shots, noticed many open tabs with several items in Link Set A:

Changing Bible location in any link set item causes all linked items to change, including ones out of sight (possibly Exegetical Guide, Quotations, Bible Word Study, Exegetical Guide, etc).  If one of the Exegetical Guides is linked with word by word section open, then changing Bible location will be very slow.  Populating word by word section for book of Hosea takes minutes on Mac (and PC).

The leftmost panel has scroll arrows to indicate more tabs are open.  Wondering what tabs are linked together ?

The phrase "less is more" offers a speed tip: less open is more responsive, useful when know how to quickly open other items as desired.

For example, Text Comparison was done for the book of Hosea while one verse is displayed on screen.  By the way, pressing F7 in a Bible displays a pop-up with Text Comparison of Bible location in Top 5 Bibles.  If want to see several verses, can select them in one Bible, then press F7.

In the NASB 95, one option is turn off interlinear display along the bottom, then right click on Bible word for a menu that has many reverse interlinear items, then click on item (e.g. Strong's Number), then desired item on left to open (e.g. a lexicon).  Thread => searching strong's numbers has my lexicon prioritization so right click has one list of lexicons for original language headword plus a different list for Strong's numbers, which includes some discussion lexicons.

Greek is not Hebrew, and both are not English.  Proper names tend to have a one to one correspondence between languages; many words have various range of meanings and nuances.  Instead of using a reverse interlinear to show Hebrew with transliteration, personally prefer using a Hebrew interlinear with transliteration side by side.  In Hosea, noticed many English names are transliterated from Hebrew:

For Psalms illustration, copied Bible resources to a new tab, then dragged for screen shot.  In LHI, choose to turn off interlinear display.  Psalms 119 is alphabetic.  The NASB 95 shows the Hebrew letters: Aleph and Beth.  Looking in LHI, can see verses 1 through 8 begin with Aleph; likewise can see verses 9 through 12 begin with Beth, including dagesh dots each time.

For scrolling, linked NASB 95 and LHI can a bit faster compared to scrolling with reverse interlinear display in NASB 95 (depends on scrolling speed that affects reverse interlinear updating).

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Cameron Sapaugh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 1 2014 10:00 PM

I'm not sure what the deal is with Logos' indexing program. It slowed my Mac way down (and I have about the same specs as yours). I downloaded OmniSweep (a free program to see what is taking up all your hard drive's space). Turns out, the indexing thing (or whatever you call it) on Logos was taking up over 60 GB of data! That's a ton! I ended up deleting all of Logos from my computer. 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 2 2014 5:07 AM

Cameron Sapaugh:
I'm not sure what the deal is with Logos' indexing program. It slowed my Mac way down (and I have about the same specs as yours). I downloaded OmniSweep (a free program to see what is taking up all your hard drive's space). Turns out, the indexing thing (or whatever you call it) on Logos was taking up over 60 GB of data! That's a ton! I ended up deleting all of Logos from my computer. 

Welcome to the forums. 

Unless you have well over 10,000 resources in Logos, it's not going to take up even close to 60GB. The only thing I can think of that might give such a result would be if you did your check during indexing. Indexing does slow down the computer and uses a lot of CPU, RAM and HD space, but it can easily be done during the night, and once it's finished, all of that is released, and only the index itself remains (together with the program and the resources, of course).

Also, this thread is two years old and about Logos 4. I would hope you are using Logos 5.

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rkponder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 2 2014 5:51 AM

Cameron Sapaugh

The link set issue fixed my problem- I had about 16 commentaries, 3 dictionaries and a few other resources all linked. Not a good idea. I have been using Logos for about 3 years now and cannot imagine not studying with out it.

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