Logos 3/Libronix Resource Creation after March 31, 2012

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/351293#Comment_351293

Kent,

Thanks for the FYI.

If I may be so bold, the only real question I have at the moment is:

Should I come across a book that I have in L3 but not in L4 how would I go about getting information on whether it will be re-compiled, or not?

Kent Hendricks

Should I come across a book that I have in L3 but not in L4 how would I go about getting information on whether it will be re-compiled, or not?

With a handful of exceptions, all books created up to March 31, 2012 work in both Libronix and in Logos 4. So the books you're using right now in Libronix you can also use in Logos 4. (Most of our books can be used on the iPhone, iPad, and Android apps, as well as Biblia.com.) After March 31, 2012, new resources will work only in Logos 4.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/351298#Comment_351298

With a handful of exceptions, all books created up to March 31, 2012 work in both Libronix and in Logos 4. So the books you're using right now in Libronix you can also use in Logos 4. (Most of our books can be used on the iPhone, iPad, and Android apps, as well as Biblia.com.) After March 31, 2012, new resources will work only in Logos 4.

Thanks, So I will take it that if I have one or two, then they fit the exception catagory----Thanks.

Ed Schultz

I have Libronix 3 expanded package and several add ons. I have recently downloaded the free engine version of Logos 4, however many of the books in my library do not appear in Logos 4 and are not accesible; for example the exegetical guide. Access to the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries, lexicons and concordances. Vines expository dictionary, tense, mood and voice. I have contacted someone in the sales department and they said that the only way to access these books is to upgrade to a base package. (Scholars) However in reading your article I am under the impression that ALL of my Libronix books will transfer and work in Logos 4.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/351357#Comment_351357

I have Libronix 3 expanded package and several add ons. I have recently downloaded the free engine version of Logos 4, however many of the books in my library do not appear in Logos 4 and are not accesible; for example the exegetical guide. Access to the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries, lexicons and concordances. Vines expository dictionary, tense, mood and voice. I have contacted someone in the sales department and they said that the only way to access these books is to upgrade to a base package. (Scholars) However in reading your article I am under the impression that ALL of my Libronix books will transfer and work in Logos 4.

Ed

Welcome [:D]

Known item: Libronix 3 PBB resources do not transfer to Logos 4; have to be rebuilt using Personal Book tool; wiki has => Personal Books

Apologies: appears all my non-PBB Libronix 3 resources are available for me to use in Logos 4. In fact, Logos 4 scans my Libronix installation for unlocked resources, and copies them to my Logos4 folder. Thankful can use Libronix 3 and Logos 4 at the same time.

Visit http://www.logos.com/4ways to see your options for moving from Libronix to Logos 4.

The 4 ways page includes link to Minimal Crossgrade since many resources were added/reformated for use in Logos 4: primarily Reverse Interlinear resources, Biblical People, Biblical Places, Biblical Things, Lectionaries, and Timelines.

Wonder if Logos 4 indexing is complete ? wiki has Getting Started with Logos => Installation + Indexing Logos 4 Exegetical Guide uses indexes (lacks a lot until indexing is complete)

In your Logos 4 library, wonder how many resources appear for type:lexicon ?

If using stable Logos 4 release, other option is contacting Logos Technical Support => http://www.logos.com/about/contact

Keep Smiling [:)]

Kent Hendricks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/351301#Comment_351301

Thanks, So I will take it that if I have one or two, then they fit the exception catagory----Thanks.

Which books are you referring to?

Pedro

Thank you Kent for the reminder and for the reasonable explanation.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/351547#Comment_351547

Thanks, So I will take it that if I have one or two, then they fit the exception catagory----Thanks.

Which books are you referring to?

Sorry, I just read your post. Goodness Kent. its been so long ago I had them wrote down once after checking the resources against a printout of L3…..I would have to go back and check. But I do not think that they were that important to remember – or I would have..hehehe….but I will look at it again…..[instead of list checking - is there a quicker way?]

newly-created resources shipped after March 31, 2012 will only work in Logos 4.

After March 31, will I still be able to buy resources for Libronix? As in, will everything available for purchase for Libronix now, still be available?

I will only have to upgrade to Logos 4 if I want to buy new resources that have not yet been released, right?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353309#Comment_353309

After March 31, will I still be able to buy resources for Libronix? As in, will everything available for purchase for Libronix now, still be available?

Welcome [:D]

Hopefully yes since Logos is "not retroactively removing anything" => http://blog.logos.com/2012/01/new-resources-for-logos-3/

I will only have to upgrade to Logos 4 if I want to buy new resources that have not yet been released, right?

True, plus free => Dictionary of Latin Forms is Logos 4 only, see thread => Free Download: Dictionary of Latin Forms Also, free Perseus collections => http://www.logos.com/products/search?Product+Type=Perseus are only available for Logos 4 => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/43847/328759.aspx#328759

Keep Smiling [:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353309#Comment_353309

As with most Logos communications, the key questions are not answered (no offense to Kent; he's a good guy).

But last winter, when they 'made the decision' (forgetting to announce it), they took the scripts that deliver the license off the Logos.com site. The work around was to download the volume from the ftp site and then sync the licenses on the internet. In some cases (maybe unrelated), that didn't work.

So, who knows. Maybe someone will try buying something next Monday.

Absent a couple pre-pubs that look many-moons away, my credit card is looking nice and clean-ish and my spouse is now happily speaking to me again.

John R. Hammond

I have Logos 3 loaded on my computer. Please e-mail information on how I can upgrade my current software to Logos 4.

Rev. John Hammond

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353366#Comment_353366

No need for email, just go to
http://www.logos.com/4ways , pick your way to go (e.g. buy Minimal Crossgrade or not) and download the free installer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353366#Comment_353366

I have Logos 3 loaded on my computer. Please e-mail information on how I can upgrade my current software to Logos 4.

Rev. John Hammond

Welcome [:D]

Wiki Getting Started with Logos has => Installation + Indexing

Wiki page => Getting Started with Logos has many Tips and links for learning and using Logos 4.

Libronix 3 is installed once for all users on a computer while Logos 4 is installed for each user so Libronix 3 and Logos 4 can peacefully coexist. By default, Logos 4 scans resources in Libronix 3, then copies the ones that have not been updated into your Logos 4 folder along with downloading updated resources.

Logos 4 new features need new resources for their use; may want to consider minimal crossgrade => http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade

Keep Smiling [:)]

Mark Ward

Not really an issue for me, since I've decided not to purchase any new resources in Logos until the Notes in version 4 is fixed. The current state of 4 is unusable for my purposes.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353443#Comment_353443

Hi Mark - and welcome to the forums

Not really an issue for me, since I've decided not to purchase any new resources in Logos until the Notes in version 4 is fixed. The current state of 4 is unusable for my purposes.

What version of L4 are you using? There was a lot of changes to notes in 4.5

What specific things make L4 unusable for you?

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/351561#Comment_351561

Thanks, So I will take it that if I have one or two, then they fit the exception catagory----Thanks.

Which books are you referring to?

Sorry, I just read your post. Goodness Kent. its been so long ago I had them wrote down once after checking the resources against a printout of L3…..I would have to go back and check. But I do not think that they were that important to remember – or I would have..hehehe….but I will look at it again…..[instead of list checking - is there a quicker way?]

I got tired of checking by the list so I did the scan thing. Apparently everything seems to be there, provided the scanner worked properly.....

Mark Ward

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353451#Comment_353451

Graham,

While there are a number of things that bug me, the two most significant issues are the lack of a contens/index view - making custom sorting difficult if not impossible, and the fact the when reading/editing notes which are longer than will fit in a window, the title will scoll out of view, making it easy to lose your place. I have dozens of notes files each filled with many entries (50 or more). I often need to search/compare/edit several simulataneously. This was not difficult in 3, but all but impossible in 4. Notes in 3 also has superior embedded linking capabilities, allowing you to set up a notes file as a "powerpoint" type slideshow for group Bible studies.

Mark

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353882#Comment_353882

Hi Mark

Thanks for the clarification.

You may want to add your votes to the suggestion to enhance notes functionality at http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1619077-rework-notes-function-in-one-or-multiple-phases

You will see that many people are looking for enhanced notes functionality - certainly some of the things you are looking for are included in that suggestion.

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353895#Comment_353895

Yuppers, The Notes issue(s) and the PBB's are some of the things keeping my L3 loaded.....

Dear Kent,

I have made a lot of annotations in my Libronix-Library. Is there a way to transform all annotations to Logos 4? I have already Logos 4, but I do not see my annotations. I thank you for your answer in advance. God bless! Henryk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353986#Comment_353986

Dear Kent,

I have made a lot of annotations in my Libronix-Library. Is there a way to transform all annotations to Logos 4? I have already Logos 4, but I do not see my annotations. I thank you for your answer in advance. God bless! Henryk

There is a sync note command for L4 to bring your notes over, but there is also a update notes command for L3 that must be done prior to this…but I could not find it on the wiki page, but am sure someone will read this and know where it is….

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353986#Comment_353986

Dear Kent,

I have made a lot of annotations in my Libronix-Library. Is there a way to transform all annotations to Logos 4? I have already Logos 4, but I do not see my annotations. I thank you for your answer in advance. God bless! Henryk

The command to import notes is Import ALL. The sync command syncs your notes with L4's servers in the cloud. Here is some more info on importing L3 content into L4: http://www.logos.com/l4/support/importing-ldls-content

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353995#Comment_353995

but I could not find it on the wiki page

Wiki Upgrading from LDLS3 has link => Importing from LDLS3

Keep Smiling [:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354011#Comment_354011

Dear Tom, I thank you. I followed your link and now my programmes are working the next 4 hours. I think it will work. Have a nice day, God bless you! Henryk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354017#Comment_354017

I also thank you for your help! God bless! Henryk

Scott F. Marsh

What about the Logos March Madness resources? Are you eliminating the Libronix 3 versions of these? Does this also mean the Alexander Strauch Church Leadership Series scheduled to release next week (that I ordered on PrePub in Jan. 2011) will only by Logos 4? If so, I am canceling the order, and every other order I have on PrePub. I spent hundreds of dollars getting a new computer to run Logos 4, and it still doesn't run right. I will continue to use Libronix 3, and will not be buying anything new from you.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354100#Comment_354100

Scott ... welcome to the forums.

In answer to your concerns:

(1) As far as we know, any resources produced prior to 1 April 2012 will have a Libronix version (with a few exceptions, where not feasible). So your Madness excitement should still be purchasable in Libronix3 format.

(2) And yes, resources shipped 1 April 2012 and thereafter will be in Logos4 format only. I was one of the big whiners back in January, and the CEO was gracious enough to extend the deadline to allow additional purchasing time.

You mention a problem with Logos4? That would be the easy solution?

Scott F. Marsh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354104#Comment_354104

Yes, I have several problems with Logos 4. It is such a memory hog it takes forever to be able to use it, and I have a lot of resources compiled with the Personal Book Builder that cannot be used in Logos 4. Bigger and newer is not always better.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354107#Comment_354107

Well, you're preaching to the choir ... Libronix is my favorite and I've pretty much bought all I want from Logos. But I can certainly empathize with some of the new pre-pubs that are about to ship that you've been planning for.

The only other solution is to try to optimize Logos4 on your PC ... the forum can help in that area?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354011#Comment_354011

Dear Tom, just one more question: I did as you recommended. After 5 hours processing I do not see my notes/annotations I did in Libronix before. What have I to do? Can you help me again? I thank you in advance! Have a nice day, Henryk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354157#Comment_354157

Dear Tom, just one more question: I did as you recommended. After 5 hours processing I do not see my notes/annotations I did in Libronix before. What have I to do? Can you help me again? I thank you in advance! Have a nice day, Henryk

Without any screen shots or log files, it is going to be hard to troubleshoot your problem. Here is the page that tells us how to turn on logging: http://www.logos.com/L4/Support/DiagnosticLogging

IMHO, Logos 4 was poorly design, and it requires everything to be in its default location. Therefore your notes MUST BE in their default location.

So, if you could enable logging, ensure your notes are in their default location (if you did not change them, do not worry about it), then try to import them again. If you do not see them, please upload your logs to the forum so we can see what is going wrong.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354107#Comment_354107

Yes, I have several problems with Logos 4. It is such a memory hog it takes forever to be able to use it, and I have a lot of resources compiled with the Personal Book Builder that cannot be used in Logos 4. Bigger and newer is not always better.

I too still use L3, but I use it for the notes function because the note function is so poor (even after the massive updates to it) compare to L3. About once a month or so, I delete all of my notes in L4 and re-import my 3 notes into L4.

Todd Beall

I think this is is a huge mistake on the part of Logos. I own both, but have never moved to 4 because of all the problems others have had. I don't need the hassle, since Libronix works fine for my needs.

I have lots of prepubs, etc. And now (I am learning for the first time--having gotten the message when I fired up Libronix tonight) I find out that you won't be preparing a Libronix version??????? Really????

I am going on a missions trip Monday, and will be out of commission for about half a month. But I seriously hope Logos rethinks this.

As for the announcement, was it emailed to all Logos owners in December?? This is serious, and it should have been clearly stated before I was allowed to get a prepub, thinking it would be produced in the earlier version!

Very shortsighted thinking, in my view. I hope enough pressure is put to bear that you rethink this decision!

Todd

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354777#Comment_354777

Todd,

I do not know (remember) if Logos sent out an email, but they clearly stated that they are no longer going to be producing resources in L3 format. Then again, I do not know of any company that sends out an email to their customer base when they are going to sundown an older version of one of their products.

While I still have issues with L4 (and I still use L3) , L4 has changed a lot since it has came out. Therefore, do not allow the problems other people are having with L4 from you moving to L4. You might not have their problems.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354777#Comment_354777

never moved to 4 because of all the problems others have had.

Hi Todd,

Although I still have L3 installed (now in a minority), my preferred tool for some time has been L4. It's more than overcome all its teething problems. And it's far more powerful than L3 is--even if some folks will point to a few features that are still missing (ergo I'm not alone in having L3 installed, even if I"m in a shrinking minority).

If you write sermons or prepare bible studies, L4 can put a turbo charger on your efforts if you'll give it an honest shot.

Many blessings on your studies....

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/354900#Comment_354900

Hi again

Unfortunately, I can't use Logos 3, as it is prohibitively slow on my
ebook. Libronix is great however.

In a couple of years I will buy a computer that will run Logos 3,
but until then, I have to stick with Libronix DLS 3.0g.

I just bought The Expositor's Bible Commentary, but now the option
to download/install it on Libronix is missing. It's an old resource,
so it should still be compatible with Libronix, but how to install it?

I have downloaded the 12 files from my 'orders' page, and copied
them into my resource folder, but they don't appear in my library.

I have done the 'refresh resources' process, and tried deleting
the 'cache' folder, as suggested here:
http://www.logos.com/support/article/565

But still The Expositor's Bible Commentary won't appear in my
library.

Does anyone have any idea
how to install resources on Libronix now that the easy option is
gone?

Thanks!

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359262#Comment_359262

I just bought The Expositor's Bible Commentary, but now the option to download/install it on Libronix is missing. It's an old resource, so it should still be compatible with Libronix, but how to install it?

I have downloaded the 12 files from my 'orders' page, and copied them into my resource folder, but they don't appear in my library.

I have done the 'refresh resources' process, and tried deleting the 'cache' folder, as suggested here: http://www.logos.com/support/article/565

But still The Expositor's Bible Commentary won't appear in my library.

Does anyone have any idea how to install resources on Libronix now that the easy option is gone?

Go to the orders page, click on "Download Instructions for Previous Versions" to expand that section, and there should be an orange Unlock button in there. If you click that, it will run the script to unlock the resources from that order in Libronix. If you can't find such a section or it doesn't have that button, then copy this text and paste into your browser's URL box: https://www.logos.com/cgi/LibronixUnlockScriptDownload.aspx?ORDERTXNID=xxxxxxx (replace the xxxxxxx with the order number which should be in the URL of your order page), and press Enter.

If that doesn't work, then you'll need to contact Customer Service and have them help you.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359262#Comment_359262

Hi Brett

And, just for clarity, when you refer to "Logos 3" I believe you mean "Logos 4".

Graham

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359270#Comment_359270

Thanks Graham!

I did mean Logos 4. Thanks for picking that up.

Brett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359263#Comment_359263

You're a champion, Rosie!

My problem was that 'Download Instructions for Previous Versions' is not appearing on my order page.
But the URL that you posted fixed the problem, once I substituted the xxxxxxx for my order number as you suggested.

Thanks so much! I have my commentary now!

Brett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359262#Comment_359262

Well, well. That's what I thought they'd do. My negativity always works great with Logos.

Good thing Rosie doesn't work for Logos. She sure earns her missing star! And always a smile.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/353895#Comment_353895

reported biblianaedward as spam

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359524#Comment_359524

Good thing Rosie doesn't work for Logos. She sure earns her missing star! And always a smile.

I bet they'd love to have me. But I don't think I could handle all the frustration at how much there is left to do to get Logos up to my standards of quality. It's a never-ending task. I'd be wanting to get my fingers into every single group's work (well, at least testing, development, and book editing), and I'd go crazy trying to do it all. This way at least I can step back and stop when I realize my addiction is getting the better of me. If I worked there, I'd get vacations once in a while, but that wouldn't be enough to keep me sane. And frankly, I think Bob wouldn't want all that time spent on perfectionism. So I would never make it up to a level in the company where I could really influence things in the direction I'd want them to go. And if I did get my way, the company would probably go out of business because it would take so long to get anything shipped. So no, it's best for me to remain as a gadfly off here on the sidelines.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359903#Comment_359903

at how much there is left to do to get Logos up to my standards of quality.

FYI... your standard of quality is also my standard of quality. My biggest grip with Logos is that they put things out well before they are ready to be put out.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/359903#Comment_359903

I'd be wanting to get my fingers into every single group's work

We can team up - I'll do design and some of the testing. You can do the rest. Bob will be afraid to come into work so we'd better let him handle the business side from home.[:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/360252#Comment_360252

I'd be wanting to get my fingers into every single group's work

We can team up - I'll do design and some of the testing. You can do the rest. Bob will be afraid to come into work so we'd better let him handle the business side from home.

[Y]

When can we get started?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/360329#Comment_360329

I'd be wanting to get my fingers into every single group's work

We can team up - I'll do design and some of the testing. You can do the rest. Bob will be afraid to come into work so we'd better let him handle the business side from home.

When can we get started?

As soon as Logos allows telecommuting, which they're pretty dead-set against. Kind of ironic for a company that does so much high-tech stuff.