The word grace and Strong's numbers

I want to know why the NKJV uses the word faith in lieu of grace in Acts 6:8, and how I can find this answer for myself in my new Logos 4 program. ALSO, I want to view every Strong's number for a given word - at a glance. Like I would when I open a Strong's Concordance book. I want to learn how to do this with Logos 4. Thank you for your help. Blessings.

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JT (alabama24)

Barbara -

First, welcome to the forums!

I want to know why the NKJV uses the word faith in lieu of grace in Acts 6:8,

This is a textual issue. Pardon me for a minute if you understand this already...

The Bible comes primarily from Greek & Hebrew Manuscripts. These are translated into English for you in the various translations you use. However, all manuscripts are not 100% identical. In this case, the manuscript stream that the NKJV used to translate the greek had the word πίστις, translated "faith". Other translations use manuscripts with the word χάρις, translated "grace.

To put it another way, the issue here isn't one primarily of translation since the ESV & NKJV were translating different words to begin with.

how I can find this answer for myself in my new Logos 4 program.

The way that I found this out was to use the reverse interlinear for the ESV & the NKJV. When you come across a significant difference in translation, there is a good chance of a textual variant. When this is the case, you should make sure to look at several translations, especially ones from different streams… (comparing the NKJV & KJV would be pointless as they both utilize the "Textus Receptus" as the base text).

I want to view every Strong's number for a given word - at a glance. Like I would when I open a Strong's Concordance book. I want to learn how to do this with Logos 4.

Are you specifically interested in Strongs, or are you just interested in learning more about how words are translated? Have you tried "right clicking" on a word (in a Bible with a reverse interlinear) and performing a "Bible Word Study"?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357556#Comment_357556

Here are some links to help you more. Some of these wiki pages have links to good videos that may help you too.

Here is a link to the wiki on Reverse Interlinears.

Here is a link to the wiki on Bible Word Study.

Here is a link to the wiki on Englishman's Concordance.

NB.Mick

I want to know why the NKJV uses the word faith in lieu of grace in Acts 6:8, and how I can find this answer for myself in my new Logos 4 program.

This is easy: just click the little "2" symbol - it will open a footnote by the NKJV editors telling you that the NU-text (their abbreviation for the text of the Greek NT as published in Nestle-Aland GNT (currently 27th edition) and identically in the text as published by the United Bible Societies (UBS, currently 4th edition)) reads grace. I marked this green in the screenshot below. This footnote makes you aware that NKJV in the history of KJV uses a text that once was compiled by Erasmus of Rotterdam on basis of Greek manuscripts available to him, often called "Textus Receptus" or TR for short. The editors of NKJV will tell you in their preface section on the NT text about their rationale to choose the TR logosres:nkjv;art=nkjv.pref.8

ALSO, I want to view every Strong's number for a given word - at a glance.

This is easy for NKJV, ESV and other bibles that have a Reverse Interlinear, RI, in Logos (slightly less "at a glance" in other morphologically tagged bibles).

You may have the RI displayed at the bottom of the page, toggled by a button (marked yellow) . Alternatively, you may have all or a selection of RI information displayed directly beneath the English "surface text", Logos calls this "Inline" and you select the display variants under "Display" - I choose to see the GreekManuscript text and the Strong's number (all marked red) which gives you that "grace" is Strong's Greek 5485 (marked blue)

Mouse-over this number shows a small box with the information in one of your resources explaining Strongs (which depends on prioritization - my highest prioritized resource for this is Vine's), double-click will open that resource. Additionally or alternatively you may choose to use the information panel (activated by Tools/Information ) which will do the same. For comparison sake I have configured it to show the Strong's definitions from Enhanced Strongs Lexicon.

I want to learn how to do this with Logos 4.

The best way is to check the wiki ( http://wiki.logos.com/Getting_Started_with_Logos ), maybe watch some of the free instructional videos presented there - and come back to the forum to get help: you will.

Hope this helps,

Mick

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

I want to know why the NKJV uses the word faith in lieu of grace in Acts 6:8, and how I can find this answer for myself in my new Logos 4 program.

Welcome [:D]

This is easy: just click the little "2" symbol - it will open a footnote by the NKJV editors telling you that the NU-text (their abbreviation for the text of the Greek NT as published in Nestle-Aland GNT (currently 27th edition) and identically in the text as published by the United Bible Societies (UBS, currently 4th edition)) reads grace. I marked this green in the screenshot below. This footnote makes you aware that NKJV in the history of KJV uses a text that once was compiled by Erasmus of Rotterdam on basis of Greek manuscripts available to him, often called "Textus Receptus" or TR for short.

Logos base packages Original Languages plus Scholar's Gold and above include A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament while the free The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition includes an Apparatus (RP = Byzantine 2005, which is in the TR family of Greek manuscripts)

Also included my favorite commentary for Acts 6:8 => UBS New Testament Handbook Series that has translation insights.

ALSO, I want to view every Strong's number for a given word - at a glance. Like I would when I open a Strong's Concordance book. I want to learn how to do this with Logos 4.

This screen shot shows Display button with menu that has Surface (English), lemma (Greek headword), and Strong's (Number) checked with inline (so Greek word order is rearranged to show Greek under English):

Caution: English is not Greek. Proper names tend to have a one to one correspondence between languages to identify a person, place, or thing. Other words often have a different range of meaning. Greek has the verb ἀκούω (Strong's # 191) with meaning "I hear"; missing for this verb is a nuance with case usage. The verb ἀκούω with accusative case means hearing with understanding (e.g. Acts 9:4) while usage with genitive case means heard sound, but not understand (e.g. Acts 9:7).

Strong's numbering assigns one number for each Greek lemma (word). In contrast, Louw-Nida numbers are assigned based on contextual usage (semantic domain) so a Greek lemma can have more than one Louw-Nida number. Thread => Learning Greek includes a screen shot showing 10 Louw-Nida numbers for ἀκούω (Strong's # 191).

Greek has a wider range of verbal expression than English. Thread => Greek part of speech search includes link to wiki Extended Tips for Visual Filters => Examples of visual filters that shows 5 Logos Greek Morphology visual filter examples.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Barbara Arthur

To everyone who responded to my post earlier today - a big thank you. I will look at each response and try to follow it accordingly. Regarding Strong's numbers for a given word, I have my Concordance and looking up the word "travail." I see that for the NT alone there are four (4) different numbers. I would like to know if I have this type of access in my Logos 4. Again, thank you so much for your help. Blessings to all.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357658#Comment_357658

I have my Concordance and looking up the word "travail." I see that for the NT alone there are four (4) different numbers.

Your concordance is tied to a translation. Whichever translation is used, "travail" is used to translated four greek words. This same sort of information can be found using the "Bible Word Study" that I showed above. Better than a concordance, you can see how the word is translated among several translations.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357658#Comment_357658

Regarding Strong's numbers for a given word, I have my Concordance and looking up the word "travail." I see that for the NT alone there are four (4) different numbers. I would like to know if I have this type of access in my Logos 4.

In addition to what Alabama said (which is the preferable way to do it), yes, you can do this. If you want to go from English to Greek, you need a concordance resource which inevitably is tied to a translation (since this is a "reverse lexicon", you could help yourself with searching a small Greek dictionary resource, but this is more cumbersome), e.g. http://www.logos.com/product/1213/new-strongs-guide-to-bible-words which - as Mr. Strong's work in general - is tied to the KJV.

I found the four Greek Strong-#s for "travail" in it (5604, 5605, 3449 and 5088)

You can search bibles for the translation of Strongs - you open Search (the big magnifying glass), select Bible search instead of Basic Search and put in the Strongs - in brackets, leading g for the Greek ones of NT you are interested in. It will find all occurences in the bibles you select (note that of course only "morphologically tagged bibles" may be used = those with references in their database to the underlying Greek). Your NKJV has 7 occurences of the 5604 and 5605 I selected (these steps marked red).

Optionally, you may user Add Versions to compare other translations (marked in blue). In the KJV you'll find the instances where "travail" was used.

Again, "Greek is not English", as Keep Smiling reminds helpfully, thus you need to be careful to understand the results such a Search is giving you. Technically, Logos can do all that and much more.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/357658#Comment_357658

I have my Concordance and looking up the word "travail." I see that for the NT alone there are four (4) different numbers. I would like to know if I have this type of access in my Logos 4.

In Logos 4, can do a Bible Word Study (BWS) for "travail" that shows four Greek lemmas plus more Hebrew lemmas, which have been translated as travail in AV 1873:

Clicking "The Cambridge Paragraph Bible of the ..." opened a Bible search to show all verses that have travail. The Old Testament has 32 verses; Jeremiah 30:6 has two occurrences, which agrees with the 33 results in BWS (with Ecclessiates having 8 results as shown in mouse hover). The New Testament has 6 verses, which also agrees with BWS results. The Apocryphal books have 11 results in 11 verses (added box to screen shot).

In BWS, can click on a ring segment to show verses for that lemma, which should match concordance look up. With Logos 4 BWS and search capabilities, have given away my hard copy concordances.

Apologies: personally do not know the Strong's number for any of these travail references. Thread => searching strong's numbers includes my lexicon prioritization, which allows a right click on a Bible word to show five lexicons for lemma and five lexicons for Strong's number so have right click quick access to ten lexicons, which is quite useful for word studies, especially since one of the better discussion lexicons: Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words includes Strong number indexing.

Keep Smiling [:)]