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Jon | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, May 20 2012 9:50 PM | Locked

Hard to compare this kind of thing, but subjectively the UI feels snappier with the under-the-hood changes, even basic things like opening and closing contents pane, the library menu, there's no longer any 'lag'.

Couple of UI bugs:

  • in the book info pane, the 'done' button doesn't always appear immediately, pops up after up to 10 seconds.
  • The link-set indicator is being overlaid by the book icon rather than the other way around.

In the library panel:

  • The carat to indicate sorting floats to the right, and can disappear off the side of the panel.
  • Clicking the menu above the book icons sorts by title and seems redundant.
  • The default width for the rank menu isn't wide enough for a search with lots of results - the numbers clip.

 

Finally I couldn't really work out what the new rank menu was doing, is it ordering by relevance to the search criteria? If that's the case should that be the default?

 

Some screenshots:

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 3:57 AM | Locked

Jon:
in the book info pane, the 'done' button doesn't always appear immediately, pops up after up to 10 seconds.

Sorry, cannot duplicate this delay. The done button appears instantly on my installation.

Jon:
The link-set indicator is being overlaid by the book icon rather than the other way around.

Bama reported this previously. Believe a case has been started.

Jon:
The carat to indicate sorting floats to the right, and can disappear off the side of the panel.

However clicking on the field title will still change sort order. You just can't see the caret. Changing its position depending upon the width of the field would probably be a programming challenge.

Jon:
Clicking the menu above the book icons sorts by title and seems redundant.

Can't think of another field for this to arrange. The alternative would be to have the click do nothing which seems less desirable.

Jon:

  • The default width for the rank menu isn't wide enough for a search with lots of results - the numbers clip.

Finally I couldn't really work out what the new rank menu was doing,

I don't seem to have this menu option in 4.5c Beta 1.

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 4:06 AM | Locked

Jack Caviness:

Jon:

  • The default width for the rank menu isn't wide enough for a search with lots of results - the numbers clip.

Finally I couldn't really work out what the new rank menu was doing,

I don't seem to have this menu option in 4.5c Beta 1.

 

The rank menu only appears when there is a search term entered.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 2:57 PM | Locked

Jack Caviness:

Jon:
in the book info pane, the 'done' button doesn't always appear immediately, pops up after up to 10 seconds.

Sorry, cannot duplicate this delay. The done button appears instantly on my installation.

Apologies: unable to replicate "done" delay.

Curious which resource had slow "done" appearance ?

Jack Caviness:

Jon:
The link-set indicator is being overlaid by the book icon rather than the other way around.

Bama reported this previously. Believe a case has been started.

Thread => BUG: Linkset icon 4.5c b1

Jack Caviness:

Jon:
The carat to indicate sorting floats to the right, and can disappear off the side of the panel.

However clicking on the field title will still change sort order. You just can't see the caret. Changing its position depending upon the width of the field would probably be a programming challenge.

Can replicate Library column width issue while noticing Logos 4.5c Beta 1 remembers Library drop down size change, which is an improvement:

Changing Library drop down sizing shows indicator:

Found a thread from 4 Dec 2009 => library view

Thankful for Logos 4.5c Beta 1 improvement for Library drop down sizing on Mac and PC Big Smile

Jon:

  • The default width for the rank menu isn't wide enough for a search with lots of results - the numbers clip.

Finally I couldn't really work out what the new rank menu was doing, is it ordering by relevance to the search criteria? If that's the case should that be the default?

After searching Library for a word (e.g. church), then clicking Rank and widening Rank column a bit, appears Rank has relevance:

When Rank column is added to Library, would appreciate wider width to match width of Numbers instead of width for the word Rank.  Also Yes like Idea of Rank default becoming default sort for a Library search if a different column has not been chosen for sort order.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 7:55 PM | Locked

Integ:

The rank menu only appears when there is a search term entered.

Someone once said that we should strive to learn something new every day. Integ, you have given me one for today Geeked

Also noted that the column is wide enough to show all numbers in 4.5c Beta 1

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 8:58 PM | Locked

Jack Caviness:
Also noted that the column is wide enough to show all numbers in 4.5c Beta 1

Personally learning if (when) Library filtering finds more than 999 resources, then Rank column width is a wee bit too small.

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 11:04 PM | Locked

Jack Caviness:
Someone once said that we should strive to learn something new every day.

I've learnt that you can make the Library drop down wider, so much more useful now :)

 

Jack Caviness:
However clicking on the field title will still change sort order. You just can't see the caret. Changing its position depending upon the width of the field would probably be a programming challenge.

Personally, I'd put it on the left side of the text rather than floating right, feels more visually intuitive to me -> put the indicator for which column is being sorted by is next to the label that tells you what that column is.

 

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Curious which resource had slow "done" appearance ?

I just tried it with a bunch of books I have open; all the bibles it worked right away. Some of the lexica (BDAG/NIDNTT) were fairly quick a few seconds, a couple of monographs took longer (a volume of church dogmatics, a greek grammar).

Actually, while I've being flicking back and forth between windows to write this, it seems that the Done button is "there" but isn't being rendered right away, when I change over to Safari the window UI changes for losing focus are rendered and the Done button (greyed out) gets rendered in the process...

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 22 2012 4:06 AM | Locked

Jack Caviness:
Someone once said that we should strive to learn something new every day. Integ, you have given me one for today Geeked

My pleasure.Smile

I hope they do more with the rank column. I was confused at first. Did the number mean the number of "hits" for that resource, or did it mean it's position in the list of hits (1...2...3, etc)? Sorting by rank by default (per KSFJ suggestion) would clear that issue up.

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 22 2012 8:50 AM | Locked

Jon:
Personally, I'd put it on the left side of the text rather than floating right, feels more visually intuitive to me

I believe right is the Mac standard (see iTunes, Thunderbird...). It's also where I prefer it.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Also Yes like Idea of Rank default becoming default sort for a Library search if a different column has not been chosen for sort order.

I can see both pros and cons with this:

  • Pro: if the wanted book actually shows up on the first 5 lines or so, it will save some time.
  • Con: if it doesn't, it will waste a whole lot more time. First you'll stubbornly keep looking down the list, then you'll give up, click on another column, wait for the sorting, and finally start all over again trying to locate the book in the new list.

Since the ability to locate something in the ranked list would be 100% dependent on the computer's ability to 'think like me', it would have to be a very good algorithm for the pros to outweigh the cons, and an even better one to motivate making it default. Perhaps it is, but given that computers tend to 'think' like their programmers, and given that Logos' employees tend to be Evangelical, which I am not, my immediate suspicion/fear is that the books I want won't turn up at the top, but rather fairly far down.

"The Christian way of life isn't so much an assignment to be performed, as a gift to be received."  Wilfrid Stinissen

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 9:18 AM | Locked

Jon:

Finally I couldn't really work out what the new rank menu was doing, is it ordering by relevance to the search criteria? If that's the case should that be the default?

If you're in "Tile" view, searching the Library sorts by rank by default. If you're in "Details" (grid) view, we keep your existing sort order and don't override it when a query is entered.

Rank orders by relevance to the search criteria, promoting words that are in resource titles above words in the description, for example. It also sorts exact matches to the top, so searching for "NIV" will put the NIV Bible as the #1 result.

(This is a feature that has been on Windows for a long time, but has only just been added to Mac as part of increasing Mac parity.)

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 10:39 AM | Locked

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
just been added to Mac as part of increasing Mac parity

Like those words Geeked

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
Rank orders by relevance to the search criteria

Thank you for the explanation. That makes it much clearer.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 11:34 AM | Locked

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
If you're in "Tile" view, searching the Library sorts by rank by default. If you're in "Details" (grid) view, we keep your existing sort order and don't override it when a query is entered.

Observation: if search my Logos library using Logos 4.5c Beta 1 on Mac, then click Rank to sort by Rank.  Personally have learned Rank sorting is kept until Library filter is deleted, which changes next Library sort back to default order of Title instead of last used sort by Rank.

Workaround when sorted by Rank and want to completely change library filter is highlighting existing filter, then type (or paste) new filter so Rank column does not disappear from "Details" (grid) view.

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Tonya J Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 2:25 PM | Locked

Jon:
in the book info pane, the 'done' button doesn't always appear immediately, pops up after up to 10 seconds.

I am not able to reproduce this issue either.  It would be good to get a screencast of the delay along with diagnostic logs for your program.

Jon:
The link-set indicator is being overlaid by the book icon rather than the other way around.

As mentioned, this has been previously reported.

Jon:
The carat to indicate sorting floats to the right, and can disappear off the side of the panel.

I will create an inquiry for considering the alignment of the sort arrows.

Jon:
Clicking the menu above the book icons sorts by title and seems redundant.

It works that way on Windows as well.  Since book covers don't have inherent labels (like color, size, etc.) I'm not sure what else it could sort by that would make more sense.  I suppose that the cover image column could be set to not be a sort-able column, but I'm not sure that is preferable.

Jon:
The default width for the rank menu isn't wide enough for a search with lots of results - the numbers clip.

I will report this issue.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 3:59 PM | Locked

Tonya J Ross:

Jon:
in the book info pane, the 'done' button doesn't always appear immediately, pops up after up to 10 seconds.

I am not able to reproduce this issue either.  It would be good to get a screencast of the delay along with diagnostic logs for your program.

Any suggestions for creating a screen cast? Here is a log 4628.Logos4 copy.log and screen shot:

 

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 28 2012 9:03 AM | Locked

Tonya J Ross:

I am not able to reproduce this issue either.  It would be good to get a screencast of the delay along with diagnostic logs for your program.

Ok, here's a screencast and logs. While in this screencast the button appears normally at first and then not the second time, it is less predictable than that in practice.

0027.ScreenRecordMovie0.mp4

5381.Logos4.log

I don't know if it's related or not, but as I watch it back now the displaying of the page flip animation to and from the info pane, and the Narnia background also seem inconsistent.

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Tonya J Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 31 2012 2:25 PM | Locked

Tonya J Ross:

Jon:
The carat to indicate sorting floats to the right, and can disappear off the side of the panel.

I will create an inquiry for considering the alignment of the sort arrows.

The alignment of the sort arrows in the Library panel is by design.  It matches the display of the sort arrows in the List view in Finder.

alabama24:
Any suggestions for creating a screen cast?

I personally use Jing from TechSmith, though you have to have a different program installed in order to view the video format it puts out (I have Elmedia Player installed, but I usually just send them over to my Windows machine instead. Stick out tongue)

Jon:
Ok, here's a screencast and logs. While in this screencast the button appears normally at first and then not the second time, it is less predictable than that in practice.

Thank you, that's very helpful. Apologies if I've just missed it or you've posted it elsewhere, but it also be useful to know what OS you've got installed.

Jon:
I don't know if it's related or not, but as I watch it back now the displaying of the page flip animation to and from the info pane, and the Narnia background also seem inconsistent.

There is an existing case for irregularities in the flip animation.  The Narnia background is an Easter egg, so it's supposed to be inconsistent.  Smile

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 31 2012 6:06 PM | Locked

Tonya J Ross:
useful to know what OS you've got installed.

I'm running 10.7.4

Incidentally, I reinstalled Lion yesterday to fix an OSX problem. This UI bug still exists though it seems to happen much less frequently before... Weird!

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Tonya J Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 1 2012 2:34 PM | Locked

Thanks!  I've updated the case.

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Tonya J Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 6 2012 10:23 AM | Locked

Tonya J Ross:

Jon:
The default width for the rank menu isn't wide enough for a search with lots of results - the numbers clip.

I will report this issue.

This issue should be resolved in 4.5c Beta 4.

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