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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 28 2011 11:50 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

Steven Baxley:

It is available now for download under new products!  Hurrah!  Thank you, Logos!

You made my day Steven with this news! Yes

Great job Logos. The best Czech Translation with tens of thousands of translation notes... and for free. Wonderful. Thank you, thank you. Yes

It doesn't link to other bibles.  I normally open a bible, set the passage and open an original language text (or the other way around) and the second bible opens to the same text.  I opened the Kralicka and then this bible but found that it didn't open to the same passage.

EDIT:  Retraction -- perhaps the resource had not yet finished indexing.  It works fine.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 28 2011 12:52 PM

George Somsel:
EDIT:  Retraction -- perhaps the resource had not yet finished indexing.  It works fine.

Hello George. Yes, it had to be indexing. It works fine. By the way George, do you speak Czech? I would be very happy to hear your comments on that translation.

Bohuslav

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 28 2011 4:04 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

George Somsel:
EDIT:  Retraction -- perhaps the resource had not yet finished indexing.  It works fine.

Hello George. Yes, it had to be indexing. It works fine. By the way George, do you speak Czech? I would be very happy to hear your comments on that translation.

No, I'm hoping to learn it.  The bible seems like something worth using for that since I do already know what it says (I think).  Wink

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 29 2011 12:32 AM

George Somsel:

Bohuslav Wojnar:

George Somsel:
EDIT:  Retraction -- perhaps the resource had not yet finished indexing.  It works fine.

Hello George. Yes, it had to be indexing. It works fine. By the way George, do you speak Czech? I would be very happy to hear your comments on that translation.

 

No, I'm hoping to learn it.  The bible seems like something worth using for that since I do already know what it says (I think).  Wink

Good point George. You are right.  Yes

Bohuslav

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 29 2011 7:17 AM

Just to let Logos know, in the product page of the Český studijní překlad, under the "Product Details" the Czech characters are not spelled properly. In the Bible itself however everything works great and the names of the translators are correctly displayed (as you can see below):

přeložili © Michal Krchňák, Karel Dřízal, Jiří Hedánek a Antonín Zelina (vedoucí týmu)
odborný poradce: Dan Drápal
redaktor: Michal Krchňák

Nakladatelství KMS. (2009). Bible: Český Studijní Překlad. Praha: Nakladatelství KMS.

Bohuslav

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 30 2011 1:49 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

Hey guys we need your help to get this Bible to the production. Just start learning Czech language now and this Bible will be a great tool for you. It is the language of Jan Hus and Jan Amos Komensky (Comenius), by the way, so you should know it. Cool Big Smile

Just in case you haven't read it... Smile

Do you guys have any idea how to reach the enough level of interest so that we can see this Bible in the production? Is pre-pub a good idea for the Non-English Bibles? I see Chinese Bible also hanging in the Gathering Interest for quite long already, not moving forward. Is that the reason not to move on with that kind of important resource? Can we compare "just some other books" with having Bibles in all the languages possible in Logos? Can I help if I raise some money to help to get it into the production? Would that be usable? Just a couple of questions.

Bohuslav

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 30 2011 2:31 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Can I help if I raise some money to help to get it into the production? Would that be usable? Just a couple of questions.

Bohuslav, we know that you guys in the Czech Republic are simply rolling in cash and can afford that type of gesture Wink, but we over here have to pay for the sins of our fathers who ran up a big debt, made the price of gas skyrocket and by their ineptness killed jobs (Oh, that wasn't our fathers, you say?).  Anyway, I don't think you should expect to get any answer from Logos on this since that would be revealing their cost structure which is, I would imagine, proprietary information to be closely held.  I think we're simply stuck with attempting to find enough subscribers to warrant their producing it (without our knowing how many that might be).

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 30 2011 6:10 PM

George Somsel:

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Can I help if I raise some money to help to get it into the production? Would that be usable? Just a couple of questions.

Bohuslav, we know that you guys in the Czech Republic are simply rolling in cash and can afford that type of gesture Wink, but we over here have to pay for the sins of our fathers who ran up a big debt, made the price of gas skyrocket and by their ineptness killed jobs (Oh, that wasn't our fathers, you say?).  Anyway, I don't think you should expect to get any answer from Logos on this since that would be revealing their cost structure which is, I would imagine, proprietary information to be closely held.  I think we're simply stuck with attempting to find enough subscribers to warrant their producing it (without our knowing how many that might be).

Bohuslav, you could recruit people (who don't own Logos) to create Logos accounts and pre-order the Czech Bible. Call it a fundraiser: "for only 20 US Dollars you can help get the Czech Bible converted to Logos format".  Alternatively, if you have extra money that could go to this, you could create multiple Logos accounts and preorder it in each account.

P.S. I preordered even though I don't read Czech.

 

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Steven Baxley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 30 2011 7:19 PM

Bohuslav,

I'm guessing that if you could help spread the word among Czech believers ... they can set up accounts and download the free Logos software.  With the Czech Study Translation being given away, that's reason enough to use the software.  They can then preorder this other translation to help get it into production.  Given the weak U.S. dollar, I'm thinking the 21st Century translation would run about 325 CZK, which isn't bad at all for an electronic Bible (less, or just about the same, as the print version).

Steven

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 1 2011 11:32 AM

George Somsel:
Bohuslav, we know that you guys in the Czech Republic are simply rolling in cash and can afford that type of gesture Wink, but we over here have to pay for the sins of our fathers who ran up a big debt,

...and I thought George to do the fund raising in the USA Smile

But seriously, I think you are right about Logos not showing any details of the costs.

Bohuslav

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 1 2011 12:04 PM

Steven Baxley:

Bohuslav,

I'm guessing that if you could help spread the word among Czech believers ... they can set up accounts and download the free Logos software.  With the Czech Study Translation being given away, that's reason enough to use the software.  They can then preorder this other translation to help get it into production.  Given the weak U.S. dollar, I'm thinking the 21st Century translation would run about 325 CZK, which isn't bad at all for an electronic Bible (less, or just about the same, as the print version).

Steven

Thank you Steven and Robert. Thank you for your ideas. I appreciate that. I do try to encourage Czech pastors and people to get Logos. The problem is that Czech Study Translation is now in almost all free Bible programs. It will take some time to convince enough people to see the benefits and superiority of Logos against other programs. I expect mainly pastors to figure out quickly all the things Logos can do for them in their study and sermon preparation.

Bohuslav

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 11 2011 10:43 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Do you guys have any idea how to reach the enough level of interest so that we can see this Bible in the production?

Bohuslav, I placed my Pre-Pub order for it even though I doubt I will ever learn Czech.

I reckoned my support for it could be a way of helping Czech pastors, missionaries and Christians in general to have access to it. I have always admired organizations like Wycliffe Bible Translators and the Gideons who strive to place the Bible in as many hands as possible. If enough concerned people get behind this (and the Chinese Pre-Pubs) it will benefit the Church in unimaginable ways.

So if there are any non-Czech-fluent users reading this thread, place an order (and follow through) to help our fellow Czech-speaking Christians. Then, every time you see the translation in your Logos library, you will remember you had a part in delivering it. Wink

And post your commitment here so it keeps the thread in front of everyone's eyes.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 11 2011 1:28 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
The problem is that Czech Study Translation is now in almost all free Bible programs. It will take some time to convince enough people to see the benefits and superiority of Logos against other programs.

But isn't the Czech Study Bible free in Logos? They could get the Logos engine for free to try it out, and even get much of the functionality and some really great resources for very little by buying the minimal crossgrade.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 11 2011 2:11 PM

Rosie Perera:
But isn't the Czech Study Bible free in Logos? They could get the Logos engine for free to try it out, and even get much of the functionality and some really great resources for very little by buying the minimal crossgrade.

Yes, the Czech Study Translation is for free and that is just great. It is very literal translation (like ESV in English?) The study notes work perfect in that Bible. To have the other translation Bible, 21st Century Translation is dynamic one and very popular in our country. There had been many public readings of that translation in our cities this Easter. I hope to be able to encourage pastors and other people to get Logos with those Bibles. We still need also to get the main translation, The Ecumenical Bible into Logos also. And the Jerusalem Bible... and... well that would be enough for a while. Smile

P.S. Thank you guys for showing such a support to that project, even by buying that translation. I really appreciate it. I will tel that to the Czech pastors so that they know you wanted them to have our Bibles in the best Bible tool on the market. Yes

Bohuslav

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Vaclav Janca | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 1:49 AM
  • Update on CSP: Some time ago I received a brief note from Logos about reverse-interlinear. It's a no-go Sad. It says that the whole process is done in-house, is very tedious and there is a long line up of other bibles to be made into RI. Czech market is not big enough to justify the labour. I repeated our offer to prepare the databases ourselves (but it seems that Logos prefers to keep this in-house only).
  • As far as B21 not gathering interest, I think it's understandable. It is freely available in so many forms and because it's just the text with no notes or cross references, there is little to be gained by buying it for Logos (other than being able to see it right next to other versions).

I own the Kralicka for Logos. It needs corrections in verse structure, with which I offered my help. That'll probably happen later.

I hope that as the different databases in Czech mature (dictionaries and texts linked to original languages of the Bible), we will be able to come up with an interesting package for Logos that will gather enough interest.

Václav

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 6:34 AM

Vaclav Janca:
  • Update on CSP: Some time ago I received a brief note from Logos about reverse-interlinear. It's a no-go Sad. It says that the whole process is done in-house, is very tedious and there is a long line up of other bibles to be made into RI. Czech market is not big enough to justify the labour. I repeated our offer to prepare the databases ourselves (but it seems that Logos prefers to keep this in-house only).
  • Rejoice !  You are supremely fortunate to be free of this scourge in the Czech language.

    george
    gfsomsel

    יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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    Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 10:18 AM

    Vaclav Janca:

    I hope that as the different databases in Czech mature (dictionaries and texts linked to original languages of the Bible), we will be able to come up with an interesting package for Logos that will gather enough interest.

    Václav

    Thank you Václav for all the information. Well, that's reality. Our Czech market is so small, we have to just face reality. We made at least one person happy, George. Stick out tongue

    P.S. Knowing Hebrew as George knows, I would (maybe) have the same attitude to the Reverse Interlinears. Great number of Czech pastors however would benefit from them a lot. They are much better than Strong's numbers IMHO.

    Vaclav Janca:
    As far as B21 not gathering interest, I think it's understandable. It is freely available in so many forms and because it's just the text with no notes or cross references, there is little to be gained by buying it for Logos (other than being able to see it right next to other versions).

    Frankly saying, I was really surprised to see Bible 21 in the pre-pub. After getting Český studijní překlad for free, it looked really surprising.

    What we can do is to use Bible 21 as a Personal Book before we have it as a regular Logos resource. Copyright "Creative Commons" look to allow non-profit usage of the text as a PB.

    (see http://www.bible21.cz/preklad_bible/bible21  )

    Bohuslav

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    HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2012 11:13 AM

    I just noticed that Bible 21 has an estimated shipping date for the end of this month!

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    Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 8 2012 1:33 PM

    Wonderful Yes

    Thank you for that information. It's great news. 

    Bohuslav

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    Vladimír Volráb | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 22 2013 3:06 PM

    Hi, do you know any progress in CEP or even Czech Jerusalem Bible? 

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