Major discovery of an early church manuscript!

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012 3:34 PM

Apparently Origen's homilies on the Psalms were discovered in the Bavarian State Library! They've already digitized the text, how could would it be if it got into Logos?

http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=8758

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2012 5:05 PM

By digitized do you mean digital photographs of handwritten greek text ?

Perhaps a suitable addition to Classic Commentaries and Studies on Psalms,
http://www.logos.com/product/8505/classic-commentaries-and-studies-on-psalms 

 

 

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2012 5:55 PM

Wouldn't the current research including photographs, transcription be under copyright? I don't think it could be added to the classic commentaries. But it would be great to have them in Logos. 

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2012 6:44 PM

David J. Wilson:
By digitized do you mean digital photographs of handwritten greek text ?

You caught me – I posted this before checking the link to the actual 'digitization'.

Philana Crouch:

Wouldn't the current research including photographs, transcription be under copyright?

No, that's not how copyright works. The photographs taken by the library could not be reprinted without permission, but a transcription of the Greek text made from the copyrighted photographs would be perfectly legal to publish. The text itself is long out of copyright.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2012 7:31 PM

mitchellisdumb:
but a transcription of the Greek text made from the copyrighted photographs would be perfectly legal to publish. The text itself is long out of copyright.

Are you sure? not that long ago some music transcribed in England could not be published in America even if the editor went back to the original documents. The original transcriber owned the copyright. Or at least that was the way the problem was described to me.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2012 9:49 PM

MJ. Smith:
even if the editor went back to the original documents. The original transcriber owned the copyright.

Using the photographs for transcribing constitutes a "derivative  work" and is forbidden. At least that is the position the government of Israel took with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Britain and the rest of the world seem to think you can't copyright a manuscript 2000 years after it was written, (German Bible Society excepted.Stick out tongue)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2012 11:37 PM

from a British library re: unpublished out-of-copyroght manuscripts:

"If the published work is a straightforward facsimile edition using photographic techniques then the photographs from which it is made are protected until the year of the photographer's death plus 70 years. If the photographer is anonymous then protection is until the year of publication plus 70 years. If the work is simply a transcription of an original manuscript then the typography is protected for 25 years from year of publication. If a work is a re-issue of an old edition with a new introduction then the introduction is in copyright in the usual way (author's death plus 70 years) but the re-issued text does not attract a new copyright."

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 15 2012 7:53 AM

Aren't you talking about two different things here?

MJ's last quote is talking about photographs (which are clearly under copyright), and someone else's transcriptions (which are also under copyright). 

However,

mitchellisdumb:
No, that's not how copyright works. The photographs taken by the library could not be reprinted without permission, but a transcription of the Greek text made from the copyrighted photographs would be perfectly legal to publish. The text itself is long out of copyright.

seems to me to talk about something else, viz. Logos using the photographs to make their own transcription.

Rick Brannan is the specialist on this, since, as I understand it, this is precisely what he's doing to produce some of the Greek Apocryphal Gospels, Fragments, and Agrapha. I may be mistaken, but I've definitely gotten the impression from Rick's posts that creating your own transcription from someone else's photos is perfectly legal.

Though given that someone else is already on the job, expecting to be finished by the end of summer, it hardly seems like a wise use of Logos' time. Negotiating the rights to do the first English translation might make more sense.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 10:37 AM

mitchellisdumb:

Apparently Origen's homilies on the Psalms were discovered in the Bavarian State Library! They've already digitized the text, how could would it be if it got into Logos?

http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=8758

I've been pushing to get the entire collection of Origen's Old Testament commentaries / homilies into Logos (Genesis, Exodus, Song of Songs, etc., etc.).

They were incredibly influential, and many are extremely beautiful... and they are all very hard to get and expensive in English. Sad (almost all have been translated into English, but they are divided up among many publishers, and the prices are absurd).

It might be a great translation project for Community Pricing....

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