Printing notes
Can I print my notes with cutting and pasting them? Also is there a way to export them?
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Sorry Clayton,
Printing enhancements are coming (What’s Missing from Logos 4
) hopefully that will include notes. (And handouts, and clippings, and resources, and...)
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THIS MUST BE A PRIORITY ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why give us a function and program for study and sermon prep with no tool to print our work? Duh!!!!!!
Sorry don't mean to be rude but I was just finishing some work for Wed. evenings when I realized no print function for notes- now its copy and paste and thats going to be tedious with the way notes is set up.
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Patience can be a Christian virtue: James 1:2 Hebrews 6:11[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Patience can be a Christian virtue: James 1:2 Hebrews 6:11
so is humility (Eph 4:2; Phil 2:3)
(Hmm, this is supposed to show up in a really small font.)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
THIS MUST BE A PRIORITY ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why give us a function and program for study and sermon prep with no tool to print our work? Duh!!!!!!
I can see where your coming from Whyndell. For many people printing is a basic function of every program they own. I don't need to be able to print, I just need to be able to get what I'm viewing on the screen onto a piece of paper somehow :-)
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I, too, find it irritating that one of the most simple of computer processes was ignored in the development of the product. Grace and patience are virtues; accountability is, as well. Libronix has not given the product to us; they have sold it. They have not only sold it; they have promoted it as superior to the former product.
Anyway, I have been able to get a note file onto paper by putting the file into reading view and using a print screen utility to export to an image. I am then able to put it into a word processor and expand the image (a necessity). It cannot be otherwise manipulated, but at least I can have the note on a paper...though I have to limit the size of the note file to be able to fit on a page.
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I, too, find it unacceptable that a program I own a license to cannot print and also I cannot copy and paste some important results. I do value the new features but at the same time, they do not make up for the lack of an entirely basic function as printing. So, I have not told my friends about L4 and will wait to demo it to them when features that are integral are up to speed. Interesting, when I am not on the forum for a day or so, I regain balance and realize IMHO that telling users who are disgruntled to have patience can be viewed as something opposite to humility.DonaldMinshew said:I, too, find it irritating that one of the most simple of computer processes was ignored in the development of the product. Grace and patience are virtues; accountability is, as well. Libronix has not given the product to us; they have sold it. They have not only sold it; they have promoted it as superior to the former product.
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For the time being, perhaps you could use something like OneNote. LaRosa Johnson gives a nice 'tut' for such--
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Dear Clayton:
I found your post while looking for a solution to the same problem (love this Forum for that kind of thing). I didn't find one, so I created my own workaround. Since it seems to be successful, I thought I'd share it (ugly as it is).
Solution: I have Logos 3 (under the guise of one of the eBible packages from Thomas Nelson). I have it open, create a Note file there. I click in the individual note entry and can copy from Logos4 to Logos3 paste no problem. (I guess that makes sense if it is using the Windows clipboard?). Once in a Logos3 Note file, all the printing we're used to / looking for is there...
This is stating the obvious, but I don't think I saw it posted. Hope it helps. If you don't have Logos4 - my guess is you could use copy/paste into a Word doc, too.
Happy New Year - here's to hoping we'll get some of these features back that we dearly miss to go with all the new, good stuff in Logos4.
Mark
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This is AWESOME.
I'm saving toner and paper like you wouldn't believe!! How innovative! I feel like hugging trees!! Everything looks GREEN.
I tried to print a topic from the Logos 4 help file and that will not work either.
Let's all hope that when printing does work in Logos 4 (and I am sure that it will at some juncture) that you will not be required to purchase a Logos 4 laser printer from Logos as an add-on resource.
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I just checked the pre-pub page and there is no printer listed there, so it looks like maybe we'll get to use the printers that we already own. Someday.
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Is anyone else reading the plans like I do? If this feature happens, it will be in the second quarter of this year?
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I read "better printing support." I have been using Logos for many years (my original customer number was 47), and I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically have made every upgrade they have offered from 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.0 to 3.0 and now to 4.0 and I have been pleased at every step.
But printing my own notes and being able to print clippings after I've assembled them is really pretty basic. It seems to me that it should receive top priority.
Not complaining -- I'm just saying... [^o)]
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Every time I open the blog from Logos 4, I get more irritated. There's a free app for the iPhone (which I don't use - I'm a Blackberry fan myself)...but I can't print my notes (even though I've paid to have Logos 4). There are all these handouts...that I don't think I'll really use...and I can print and print and print something that Logos has developed...but I can't print my notes. Logos, are you listening!
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RichardBacon said:
But printing my own notes and being able to print clippings after I've assembled them is really pretty basic. It seems to me that it should receive top priority.
Not complaining -- I'm just saying...
Ditto on that Richard. These are basic functions that need to be moved up in priority for those who use Logos to study with. Not just read books.
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I wonder if it is asking too much to have Bob actually come here and explain his reasoning for backburnering (new word!) this issue. It has been on the coming soon list since at least October. Workarounds are fine but that really begs the question.
It's just incredible to me that we are even having this discussion.
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JosephBEvans said:
I wonder if it is asking too much to have Bob actually come here and explain his reasoning for backburnering (new word!) this issue. It has been on the coming soon list since at least October. Workarounds are fine but that really begs the question.
It's just incredible to me that we are even having this discussion.
I'll let Bob speak about what the technical issues might be in resolving this, along with any reasons this isn't higher on the priority list.
But the major reason that we don't have more printing options now is that when Logos reviewed the user stat's for Libronix (L3), they found that very few people ever printed from L3 (this was discussed very early on, maybe in the pre-release beta days). I printed maybe twice, but was not satisfied with the output, so I, for one, never made a practice out of printing directly from Logos. (I've been using Logos since version 1.6.)
I did copy/paste and print, where I had some control over output, margins, formatting, etc. And do miss being able to copy/paste a verse list (e.g.) from time to time. I do need this ability in order to do in-depth word-studies where I can both save an annotate my own work. And I need it to print out a list of verses to offer folks for further reflection (I did one recently for verses related to anxiety/fear). But verse lists are coming back. And while I'd probably never print directly from Logos, I do hope we'll be able to copy/paste the content into the word processor of our choice.
Unlike some, I've never used the note function for taking notes I'd use to lead a Bible study, or preach a message. I do that in WordPerfect. I only use notes to keep track of tidbits of information I've learned, so that I can remember them the next time I look at this text.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
But the major reason that we don't have more printing options now is that when Logos reviewed the user stat's for Libronix (L3), they found that very few people ever printed from L3 (this was discussed very early on, maybe in the pre-release beta days). I printed maybe twice, but was not satisfied with the output, so I, for one, never made a practice out of printing directly from Logos. (I've been using Logos since version 1.6.)
Richard - thanks for the information.
Personally, I "print" from Logos 3 all the time. Sometimes I will print several dictionary articles to refer to when teaching a class. Or if someone asks me for information on ____________ (insert any Bible Encyclopedia topic here), I would print out the information and hand it to them. Quicker and easier than cut and paste into a Word Processor of any brand.
Oh, by the way, I used L3 on a desktop without internet connection for 4 years, it still is normally not connected to the internet. So Logos did not get my stats.
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Mark Watson said:
Personally, I "print" from Logos 3 all the time. Sometimes I will print several dictionary articles to refer to when teaching a class. Or if someone asks me for information on ____________ (insert any Bible Encyclopedia topic here), I would print out the information and hand it to them. Quicker and easier than cut and paste into a Word Processor of any brand.
That's different than how I think about it. For several articles, I can cut/paste them, edit out any unnecessary information (if applicable) and usually print more than one article per page to hand out. Having everything on one page is more convenient for me and those in my Bible study classes, etc. With WordPerfect's "Make it Fit" function, those two or three line over-spills to the next page are a thing of the past. And even if it's not quicker to print out individually, by the time it comes to making copies and distributing them all, it pays off. For just one article, for just one person, that's not true. But for multiple articles for multiple people, it seems to be.
But de gustibus no disputatum est. Or as they say now YMMV.
Mark Watson said:Oh, by the way, I used L3 on a desktop without internet connection for 4 years, it still is normally not connected to the internet. So Logos did not get my stats.
Even some of those with an internet connection chose not to share their usage stat's with Logos. The reason Logos is reconsidering adding printing is because many of those who chose not to report, are asking for it to be returned. (There are a few other functions being reconsidered for the same reason.)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard, thanks for your reply. I have read about usage stats but I for one typically do not allow programs to report back statistics. It's a security and privacy issue for me. I don't know how many users send data back and forth to Logos but I doubt I was one. Usage stats seem to be an excuse to explain slow development. Let me ask, how often do users use the various manuscript fragments that are included? Stats tell us what we want and without a complete universe from which reach conclusions you ought not simply drop a fundamental piece of the program.
I too have been using Logos since version 1.x and I love. It was like an old pair of shoes that fit perfectly. I could use the program quickly and easily and get exactly what I wanted. I would pull things together and then print out the results of my work. Logos has never had a fully functioning word processor and that was fine with me. I still don't care about that. But I would say that at least some rudimentary note keeping function with printing is indicated. Since is printing is a ubiquitous function in all programs it just remains shocking that we don't have it.
Now Bob runs the company. It is his. It was his risk as an entrepreneur and capitalist to begin Logos and he certainly calls the shots. He doesn't owe me anything. He has provided a marvelous service to the Bible students of the world. What concerns me however is to say something is coming soon and now months later it is still not here. Add to that the discussion that seems to indicate he is not really interested in developing this (he hasn't said that but some who seem to be in the know have suggested as much).
I think this is likely my last post on the issue. Surely Bob has heard and has offered direction to his developers to work on this or not. As I said, he is a business owner in a market economy. Customers can vote economically if they wish. But I think an explanation of his current thinking and reasons for the delay would be nice - even if not owed.
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Notes that won't print. Simply amazing.
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JosephBEvans said:
Richard, thanks for your reply. I have read about usage stats but I for one typically do not allow programs to report back statistics. It's a security and privacy issue for me. I don't know how many users send data back and forth to Logos but I doubt I was one. Usage stats seem to be an excuse to explain slow development. Let me ask, how often do users use the various manuscript fragments that are included? Stats tell us what we want and without a complete universe from which reach conclusions you ought not simply drop a fundamental piece of the program.
I too have been using Logos since version 1.x and I love. It was like an old pair of shoes that fit perfectly. I could use the program quickly and easily and get exactly what I wanted. I would pull things together and then print out the results of my work. Logos has never had a fully functioning word processor and that was fine with me. I still don't care about that. But I would say that at least some rudimentary note keeping function with printing is indicated. Since is printing is a ubiquitous function in all programs it just remains shocking that we don't have it.
Now Bob runs the company. It is his. It was his risk as an entrepreneur and capitalist to begin Logos and he certainly calls the shots. He doesn't owe me anything. He has provided a marvelous service to the Bible students of the world. What concerns me however is to say something is coming soon and now months later it is still not here. Add to that the discussion that seems to indicate he is not really interested in developing this (he hasn't said that but some who seem to be in the know have suggested as much).
I think this is likely my last post on the issue. Surely Bob has heard and has offered direction to his developers to work on this or not. As I said, he is a business owner in a market economy. Customers can vote economically if they wish. But I think an explanation of his current thinking and reasons for the delay would be nice - even if not owed.
I'm pretty sure that Bob has been very straightforward in telling us that the print function of Logos 4 is coming in the second quarter of 2010. So in that respect, I don't understand why someone would be upset about it not being out yet. It certainly doesn't suggest to me that he has no interest in developing this feature.
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Richard DeRuiter said:
But the major reason that we don't have more printing options now is that when Logos reviewed the user stat's for Libronix (L3), they found that very few people ever printed from L3
I guess this reveals the problem with relying on Stats. I would classify myself as one who does not print from Logos very often but who still considers it an important feature. I know that we can get around this by copying and pasting into other programs and printing from there but I think it is now clear that printing from Logos 4 needs to be implemented as a priority and if it is going to be Q2 2010 then it should be April and not June...
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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I suppose because the current issue, the printing of notes, has never been clearly addressed. We know that there are some printing issues that will be resolved in 2Q2010 but there have been other general printing issues listed in previous updates that came and went without this issue being resolved. It won't keep me from using Logos4, but it is aggravating...
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I thought it had been clearly addressed that printing support of notes and other aspects of Logos 4 would be available 2 Q 2010. Everything I've read has made that fairly clear.
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Ok, said I wasn't posting anything else but I do need to clear something up.
Yes, printing support of notes and such is now set for 2Q. However, in the original web page which listed missing and coming features and updates, some improvement in notes was listed as coming soon. That page has been updated and no longer includes the "coming soon" section. But I think, and do correct me if I am wrong, enhancements to notes was a part of that original section.
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I thought it had gone! Thought I was going mad there for a second but did recall it saying about printing. Silly stats aside I think it is outrageous that printing isn't included. No one can convince me otherwise! Come on Logos!
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Daniel Arnott said:
I thought it had gone! Thought I was going mad there for a second but did recall it saying about printing. Silly stats aside I think it is outrageous that printing isn't included. No one can convince me otherwise! Come on Logos!
I think I read somewhere that they have reviewed the L4 stats and discovered that since its release no one is printing notes.[*-)]
Just a little attempt to lighten things up a bit.[;)]
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Fred Chapman said:
I think I read somewhere that they have reviewed the L4 stats and discovered that since its release no one is printing notes.
Just a little attempt to lighten things up a bit.
LOL! Excellent
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Just adding to the list...
I wanted to copy a very long article from a Bible dictionary. Selecting the text was a slow and tedious process - it was taking a long time to scroll through the article. So, I thought I'd try to use 'Control-A' but that didn't work.
What made it worse was that the person I wanted to print the article for was sitting right here with me. He laughed at me because my "million dollar software" (his words) can't do what his "free software" (internet) can do - print.
I know... it's coming.
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Michael Waugh said:
Just adding to the list...
I wanted to copy a very long article from a Bible dictionary. Selecting the text was a slow and tedious process - it was taking a long time to scroll through the article. So, I thought I'd try to use 'Control-A' but that didn't work.
What made it worse was that the person I wanted to print the article for was sitting right here with me. He laughed at me because my "million dollar software" (his words) can't do what his "free software" (internet) can do - print.
I know... it's coming.
If you press F11, it makes the current pane full screen. That should make copy/pasting long articles much easier and quicker.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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JosephBEvans said:
Ok, said I wasn't posting anything else but I do need to clear something up.
Yes, printing support of notes and such is now set for 2Q. However, in the original web page which listed missing and coming features and updates, some improvement in notes was listed as coming soon. That page has been updated and no longer includes the "coming soon" section. But I think, and do correct me if I am wrong, enhancements to notes was a part of that original section.
Not that I recall. I've been following along with it since the
beginning, and I never remember seeing it being set at anything other
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I just upgraded and so many of the features of Libronix 3 are gone. Sure, the ones that made it to Logos 4 are better, but that doesn't explain the loss of existing features. What baffles me is the shameless posts on the website like "these features you already had are gone but will be back soon... in the mean time, you can still use Libronix 3 - yay!"
I just spent all my time doing sermon prep this week trying out the notes system. I wanted to print it and take it with me when I go home because I don't have this installed on my home computer. I go to print. Wait. What? No print?
Why would they release incomplete software?
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Manuel Josh Vieira said:
I just upgraded and so many of the features of Libronix 3 are gone. Sure, the ones that made it to Logos 4 are better, but that doesn't explain the loss of existing features. What baffles me is the shameless posts on the website like "these features you already had are gone but will be back soon... in the mean time, you can still use Libronix 3 - yay!"
I just spent all my time doing sermon prep this week trying out the notes system. I wanted to print it and take it with me when I go home because I don't have this installed on my home computer. I go to print. Wait. What? No print?
Why would they release incomplete software?
Read this http://community.logos.com/forums/p/6959/55615.aspx#55615
Prov. 15:23
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Manuel Josh Vieira said:
I just spent all my time doing sermon prep this week trying out the notes system. I wanted to print it and take it with me when I go home because I don't have this installed on my home computer. I go to print. Wait. What? No print?
You can copy/paste into Word, or the word processor of your choice and print from there (one note at a time).So at least there is a work-around for now.
The reason printing isn't in yet: according to Logos' user statistics the vast majority of Logos3 users never printed from L3 (I never did, e.g.).
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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I would have no problem with the lack of a print feature, if you could open a Note page and copy the entire page as one, then paste it into a word processor. The copy a little, paste a little thing is almost worse than nothing....
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Yes, patience in waiting to release a finished product with elementary features that were included in the predecessor is virtuous; great point! [:D]
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Yet, if Logos would have waited until they had a completely finished product (including all aspects used by the minority of the program users), people like myself, who don't use printing, wouldn't be using L4 right now.
L4 has been a blessing to many people even in it's incomplete state. It has a number of features that have made my study much more powerful. Adding a Ipod/Iphone app (although one I'm not quite pleased w/ at this time), for example, makes it an even more powerful and accessible tool.
If you are in the 10% who don't have a use supported, I hope your features get added soon. But keep in mind their decision to market the product early has been a blessing to a huge number, if not the majority, of people.
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PhilipGurgel said:
Yet, if Logos would have waited until they had a completely finished product (including all aspects used by the minority of the program users), people like myself, who don't use printing, wouldn't be using L4 right now.
L4 has been a blessing to many people even in it's incomplete state. It has a number of features that have made my study much more powerful. Adding a Ipod/Iphone app (although one I'm not quite pleased w/ at this time), for example, makes it an even more powerful and accessible tool.
If you are in the 10% who don't have a use supported, I hope your features get added soon. But keep in mind their decision to market the product early has been a blessing to a huge number, if not the majority, of people.
I guess the thing that puzzles me about this thread, and the others I have read over the past several months regarding missing features; what L4 will do and won;t do, etc. is the fact that none of this has been hidden from the eyes of the consumer before the purchase.
As a long time user of Logos, when the product was released I researched the features and capabilities before I made a purchase. I had a pretty good idea of what the program was capable of when I purchased it, what features I used in L3 that were not available in L4 and what improvements were planned for the program in future. I am puzzled why one would make such a significant purchase without that information.
With that said, I made the decision that the features and capabilities of L4, even in the form it was in when I purchased the program were worth more to me than what it did not have. I might also add that since purchasing, Logos has done a great job of continuing to improve the performance and features of the program.
As Phil and others have stated, L4 has taken my bible study to another level, one which L3 (as much as I enjoyed that program) could have never done. I am glad to have Logos 4 and look forward to its future.
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When L4 was released, I didn't do any research whatsoever. I trusted Logos to put out a quality product...and I believe that, for the most part, they have. I have enjoyed using it and will continue to enjoy it. That said, a forum is for discussion of what needs to happen or asking others for help in accomplishing what the program will not do or will not do yet. What I'm saying, guys, is quit playing the defense game and quit throwing around statistics that that may or may not be valid. It has become obvious that the "usage" statistics utilized were skewed so who knows if the 10% figure has any validity. If the figure is only .0001% and that .0001% only represents me...and I really hope that a feature shows up...the forum is a good place to hope!
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Fred Chapman said:
I guess the thing that puzzles me about this thread, and the others I have read over the past several months regarding missing features; what L4 will do and won;t do, etc. is the fact that none of this has been hidden from the eyes of the consumer before the purchase.
I'm with you on this one Fred. But many don't do this kind of due diligence. I find it odd that someone would not, but there are a lot who don't bat an eye at dropping several hundred dollars down without 'looking under the hood' first. At the same time, doing what you and I did seems to represent a minority of Logos4 purchasers.
I also find it odd that folks who don't do this kind of 'homework' first, still feel completely justified in being shocked at not finding what they want and complaining about what isn't here yet. I find it odd, but then, it also seems quite common.
Could Logos have done a better job about being upfront about some of these missing features? Probably, though the information was there for anyone who was looking for it. Should they have made this information more obvious? Maybe, but I don't expect any company to put that sort of thing in big bold letters. I suppose others would.
There are so many different kinds of people that purchased Logos4, I have decided that it's fine for me to be puzzled, but I stopped being judgmental. And while I didn't feel overtones of judgmentalism in your post, there's probably someone, somewhere who might, and probably will.
I do agree with you also that L4 is better incomplete than Libronix was with everything working. It's just a better platform from which to do Bible study.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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DonaldMinshew said:
When L4 was released, I didn't do any research whatsoever. I trusted Logos to put out a quality product...and I believe that, for the most part, they have. I have enjoyed using it and will continue to enjoy it. That said, a forum is for discussion of what needs to happen or asking others for help in accomplishing what the program will not do or will not do yet. What I'm saying, guys, is quit playing the defense game and quit throwing around statistics that that may or may not be valid. It has become obvious that the "usage" statistics utilized were skewed so who knows if the 10% figure has any validity. If the figure is only .0001% and that .0001% only represents me...and I really hope that a feature shows up...the forum is a good place to hope!
I think the defense is more against those who are stating that the program had to have every feature in the program before it could be marketed, no matter how frequently or infrequently used that feature might be used. The point we are making, is that if for the majority of users the new software will serve to upgrade their bible study, why should the majority have to wait (half a year or more extra) for all of the features that the minority of users want included?
I for one am happy that they didn't wait, as it has been a blessing to my studies.
The 10% number is what resulted from those who allowed the program to report their usage. Whether it's 100% reflective of the usage of the software is beside the point, it's the only numbers that Logos had to make the decision on prioritizing the building of their software.
Certainly, I understand being frustrated that it can't do everything you want (I have the same problem with the Iphone app). But Logos has been straight forward from the very start as to when the remaining parts of the program will be made available.
Really, I see two problems here:
1) Not participating in Logos Usage Analysis - I don't see how Logos can be blamed for this, nor the resulting application of the results when building the software using the numbers available to them in prioritizing the build of the new program.
2) Not researching a large purchase. - Once again, Logos had all of the information up and available to anyone who wanted to know what Logos 4 offered, and what aspects of the program were still in development. What more could a company do? (Beyond wait a half of a year +, which would have forced the majority of users to wait unnecessarily for aspects of the program they would never use)
Now, if Logos doesn't follow through in bringing about printing by the 2Q of this year, then there will be a perfectly reasonable reason to express one's disappointment. For your sake, I hope it's sooner.
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PhilipGurgel said:
why should the majority have to wait (half a year or more extra) for all of the features that the minority of users want included?
oh us pesky minority users....![:D]
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One more word on printing notes. I am a teacher in a Bible school, and I would love to recommend (even require) the use of LOGOS for our students. HOWEVER, if they can't print what they have done with LOGOS 4 to turn in as homework, then it makes it difficult for me to make that recommendation. Even if they could put it in a document file (more than one note at a time - they lose any time they saved in using LOGOS for research) and send it to me as an attachment, that would be acceptable. But as the software now exists, I will have trouble convincing the school administration to require or even recommend the use of LOGOS for our students. I hope this issue gets solved before the fall term of 2010 begins.
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It was my understanding that they would have this feature out by this quarter. That means they have 27 days. Every time I get a Logos email I think I am going to read something about printing. Soon I trust we will.
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Tom Mills said:
One more word on printing notes. I am a teacher in a Bible school, and I would love to recommend (even require) the use of LOGOS for our students. HOWEVER, if they can't print what they have done with LOGOS 4 to turn in as homework, then it makes it difficult for me to make that recommendation. Even if they could put it in a document file (more than one note at a time - they lose any time they saved in using LOGOS for research) and send it to me as an attachment, that would be acceptable. But as the software now exists, I will have trouble convincing the school administration to require or even recommend the use of LOGOS for our students. I hope this issue gets solved before the fall term of 2010 begins.
If I were a teacher in a Bible school, I would discourage the use of Logos notes as a way to do serious, in-depth Bible study. Use MSWord, OpenOffice, WordPerfect, or even MSWorks.
Why?
First, the notes feature has never had the ability to format text in a way that would be suitable for scholarly work. This includes formatting and footnotes. This is not likely to change. So, there's going to be a need to export to another application for most papers anyway.
Second, notes aren't flexible enough to enable adequate manipulation of the material I'm studying. For example, I can't create two parallel columns of Greek and English text in notes, but I can in WordPerfect (I'm sure Word could do the same). Nor do notes have an adequate outlining feature.
Finally, notes weren't intended for anything more than making marginal notes to the text, so using them for creating lists for word usage, or lengthy reflections on what Paul means by 'the flesh' will be like digging a ditch with a spoon. It will be clumsy to do, and when you're done it won't be very useful.
I have several lengthy word studies and thematic studies that I have done using Logos. While having those studies in a note would be more convenient in some ways, in more ways it simply isn't.
My method was to have a copy of Logos open and my word processor open and use ALT-Tab to go back and forth. Now that I have two monitors, I just use my mouse to move from one application to another (no more difficult than moving from a L4 tab to an L4 note).
BTW, this is the method I use for sermon prep too.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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PhilipGurgel said:
Now, if Logos doesn't follow through in bringing about printing by the 2Q of this year, then there will be a perfectly reasonable reason to express one's disappointment. For your sake, I hope it's sooner.
[+o(] <--- Disappointment
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Richard DeRuiter said:
First, the notes feature has never had the ability to format text in a way that would be suitable for scholarly work.
I think this is an overstatement for many of us. The loss of the use of tables and inclusion of diagrams destroyed much of my use of notes; I remain hopeful that the new sentence diagrammer will ease the pain. I use notes as I would use cards i.e. not intending to have finished formatting. For the ancient among us: how many of you remember the large cards with holes around their edge. You assigned a hole to a top and clipped the hole so it would slide out when you stuck a needle through the holes. Logos 4 ability to search notes is ever so much easier - or will be when they get the routine to show us the location within the note.[:P] If I were to use Office or OpenOffice I would also have to use a knowledge base program to create even minimally acceptable search capabilities.
PS. It wouldn't occur to me to try to turn in homework printed from notes - I'd assume that I would copy and paste into the form my prof wanted.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Until I can export, copy and/or print passage lists, notes and clippings in a convenient way, I can't be very productive. I'm using it for research and reading and just to get used to it, but when I need to print the results of my work for the study I teach, then I'm stuck. After doing all the research, selecting, collecting and editing a passage list, I'm stuck. It would at least be nice to export the passage list even if I could export it to an L3 verse list for printing.
Other than stopping crashes, I can't think of anything more important for Logos to do at this point that get some kind of output (export, copy, or printing) for these features.
I'm not complaining, I'm just sayin' [:D]
Have a great day,
jmac0
