Logos Please, on New Interpreter's Bible

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Aug 22 2012 4:58 PM

I was advised it is better to start a new topic and ask the question than hoping you would respond to the question in the larger thread. I know it still have not got to publication levels but many of us are very curious when it is expected to get into contract levels. Is it hundreds more, a few dozen, three? Is there anyway we can help things along?

-dan

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Sogol | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 5:43 PM

Yes

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Paul Knopf | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 6:20 PM

+1

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 7:32 PM

I also would be very interested in a report on the status of this.  Yes

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Bill Coley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 22 2012 8:51 PM

Yes

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 9:32 AM

Michael Childs:

I also would be very interested in a report on the status of this.  Yes

And so would I Yes

 

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Rebecca RG | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 2:46 PM

And so would I!

Logos is bringing out a large number of important resources for audiences that have heretofore been reluctant to embrace Logos, e.g. Brueggemann and Hauwerwas.  New Interpreters Bible (and Dictionary) is critical to this audience.  Moving it out of an interminable "gathering interest" would be an important signal to this community.  I realize Abingdon is not Augsberg Fortress, but they'll stand stronger and more attractive together than if one holds back.

 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 24 2012 10:15 AM

Very good points Rebecca, since we haven't had a response from Logos, I would suggest everyone interested might try emailing ( Bob Pritchett bob@logos.com ) and inquiring about it in the past I haven't gotten a response from such emails but if he gets a couple dozen emails he may well consider looking into it and giving us an answer. I ask you to be polite but may also include the reason you want the NIB and consider it important.

-Dan

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 10:49 AM

So much for the grand advice saying if we started a new thread clearly asking we would get a response. It would be one thing to say something like, "We are not going to be deviating from our standard prepub system, we will be placing it under contract when 94 more orders are placed." But we have got nothing. These are the things that frustrate us. YES MANY OF US WANT THE NIB NOW, but we understand there is a process, we just want to hear from Logos about the details. How close are we really. Is there anything practically we can do to help.

-Dan

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 11:29 AM

Dan ... I guess I saw the Bob message where he got up from his desk, went down to the 'books' area and checked on the Dead Sea Scrolls group (pointedly hinting this would be the exception, given so many resources in some state of contract or development.)

But these volumes DO merit publishing if only because they're basic to any good re-seller's offering (eg ChristianBook etc).

I wonder if AYB or Hermeneia had to jump thru so many hoops (probably did?). Hard to imagine a boat-load of AYB enthusiasts.


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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 11:31 AM

Dan Francis:
So much for the grand advice saying if we started a new thread clearly asking we would get a response.

That it not what I said. Essentially I said that you had no hope of getting an answer if Logos didn't see the question. I didn't say that you would get an answer if they did see it. Sometimes they answer, sometimes they don't, but now, presumably, it's a deliberate choice not to answer, not just the consequence of not having seen the question. Or it could be that the right person is still on vacation.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 11:41 AM

On the positive side, the Logos site does say that that the NIB is "almost there".  There may just be no more to say than that.  Book selling, including electronic Christian book selling, is a profit making concern.  They know how many orders that it takes to make it a profitable venture.  They know orders are close to that, but not there yet.  For various reasons, it may not be wise to say exactly how far this resource has to go.

Patience is just a bummer!  

I would really like to see the NIB in Logos format do well because I want Abingdon to release the Bicentennial Wesley's Works in Logos format.  Of course, the NIB would be very nice too.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 11:50 AM

I've looked into this and found that New Interpreter's is an unusual case. We put it up without having final source materials to estimate from, so we aren't as far on pre-pub as we thought. We're also having some contract issues with the publisher, who wants different terms than we normally work on. We're working through this, but I can't say exactly when it will be available.

We'll be revising the pre-pub sliders with new numbers soon; I can tell you we're actually closer to half-way, not all the way, on both NIB and NIDB, and even then there are some outstanding contract issues that I can't predict the resolution of.

I'm sorry for the delay, and the confusion. Generally we try to never put something up without having these things resolved in advance, but somehow these projects got posted in advance of that, or based on incorrect information.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 12:22 PM

Dan

Hasn't there already been a price correction on NIB and NIDB?  I thought that, some time ago, both had a price change and took a drop in progress as a result, since more pre-orders were needed to move them into production.  I was pleased they wouldn't cost so much at the time, but they are now taking quite some time to get into production.

Can you remember the details of the price correction?

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 1:03 PM

Bob Pritchett:

We'll be revising the pre-pub sliders with new numbers soon; I can tell you we're actually closer to half-way, not all the way, on both NIB and NIDB, and even then there are some outstanding contract issues that I can't predict the resolution of.

 

Sounds like we'll be seeing Logos 6 before we see the NIB then Sad

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2012 8:38 PM

Thanks Bob, it's not great news but at least we know what is what now…and to all those tired of seeing the posts knowing we are not even have way there I will cease my promotion of this resource, because i feel it is very valuable, but one must assume most people have seen it now, i may put a brand new link up once a month, asking people to look at it and pointing a link to the samples i have up on the Evernote site.

-Dan

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 1:49 AM

The price correction I was referring to is described at:

http://blog.logos.com/2011/12/new-lower-prices-on-the-new-interpreters-bible-and-new-interpreters-dictionary/

It was about 8 months ago.  If I rightly remember, NIB was 'Under Development' and NIBD was getting fairly close.  I think they'd been on pre-pub for about 11 months at the time, judging by the date on feedburner (http://feeds2.feedburner.com/LogosPrepubs).

It's a shame if this is a new correction, putting production even further back.  Judging by the amount of promotion Dan Francis has been giving this, it will take a lot of work to get the orders to move it into production.  It looks like Logos has got this wrong at some point, so it would be good to hear them giving better news for this set soon.  Otherwise, production could be a long way off.

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 2:35 AM

Thanks Bob.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 6:32 AM

Andrew Baguley:
 It looks like Logos has got this wrong at some point, so it would be good to hear them giving better news for this set soon.  Otherwise, production could be a long way off.

I don't think Logos is at fault here.  From my converstation with people in decision making roles at Abingdon, they are NOT very interested in working with Logos.  As Bob politely put it, there are publisher issues.

I did get an email from Abingdon with a survey last week, which I filled out and sent in.  One of the questions was about Bible software that you used.  And in the comments section I emphasized that "for over 15 years now I have bought almost all my commentaries and reference resources through Logos - thousands of dollars worth.  I will continue to do so, and I would like for that to include Abingdon resources.  But they must be in Logos format to interest me."  From that survey I take it that Abingdon is considering what direction to go, largely because their own electronic format is not selling so well. 

I would recommend spending at least as much energy working on the Abingdon side of this as is being spent on the Logos side.  Otherwise, I don't think we are going to get very far.

 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2012 6:49 AM

I'm periodically critical of Logos (frequently?) but just for the record here, the price change mentioned above was the SELL price. Unlike most pre-pubs, the two resources had been put on pre-pub originally at full sell ($400/800 if I remember right).

I only mention this, because Interpreters 'was' my favorite (well, ok, next to New Jeromes). But when they (Abingdon I assume) put it on at full sell, I moved on with Hermeneia/Continental and eventually AYB.

As noted in the blog mentioned above (price change), Abingdon apparently came to their senses but then all those big commentary sales had already slurped up customers who would also enjoy the Interpreter series. Competing products.

Of course we don't know if Abingdon is now on its financial knees, or not. Maybe demand is so good, discounting and multi-platform at Logos isn't that attractive.

I am glad Bob gave the status, though I kind of whinced due to Dan's efforts for so long. Dan did more for this than Abingdon and Logos combined.


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