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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 7 2014 3:37 PM

Jack Caviness:

abondservant:
Any way, I'll defer to Jack et al on this, if you want to keep calling us Southern Baptist Convention I'll not complain.

Interestingly enough, just yesterday my Pastor mentioned one of his professors saying that the Southern Baptist Convention only existed for two days a year. So your original interpretation is also held by others, even though the official web page reflects the full name. The North American Mission Board's mission statement begins, "The estimated 46,000 autonomous churches that cooperate together with the Southern Baptist Convention pool their resources to support the work of the North American Mission Board." With that many Baptists, we are certain to find multiple opinions. Big Smile

After all, as the old proverb states, "Assemble 6 Baptists for a business meeting, and you are guaranteed to have at least 9 different opinions." Wink

I wonder if we had the same professor :), Dr. Akin said something to that effect in one of the classes I've taken with him.


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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 3 2014 10:58 AM

The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 6866.Denominations and Theology - 03 August 2014.zip

The reference guide is here: 3162.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

Sadly, there has been no time to add new authors this month, but the structure has been changed so that MJs suggestions regarding Catholics have been incorporated, with a column added for religious orders.  

Also, after the last update, it was clear that there was a problem with the autofilter as the large number of authors has now exceeded the character limit for a cell in Excel (32,767).  This meant that larger groups, such as Infant Baptism, no longer worked properly.  For this reason, three new theologies (Infant Baptism, Believers' Baptism and Mainline) have been added, based on the denominations that authors are associated with.  The columns have disappeared from the Authors worksheet, and the names of the collections are now called "Church Theology: Infant Baptism", etc. to reflect this change.  This better reflects how authors have been associated with the theologies and the corresponding data is in a new worksheet called Theology by Denom.  It is far from complete or perfect so, as always, corrections, suggestions and additions are welcome.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 3 2014 4:11 PM

Might I suggest adding any resource with "Free Will Baptist" or "general baptist" in the title into the arminian group.

Ed Stetzer is southern baptist, he's a professor on campus and head of lifeway research.

C.I Scofield has a single title that is picked up erroneously by the pentacostal collection because he has a single book through the Gospel Publishing house.

I think I mentioned this in the past, but Charles Stanley was the president of the SBC... He should definitely be in that collection.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 8 2014 4:44 AM

This post is a blatant attempt to raise my post count as I have double posted it.

A Question that has been asked is:

Lee Garrison:

I think one question is that If the person that Biblical researcher does not believe the Book of the Bible is the true Word of God, then what is the real value of any research he/she does with the Bible. Is it pointless to read what the person has to say?

I'm just thinking out loud. What is your view on this?

What is the point of a commentary from someone that doesn't believe the truth of scripture?


Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

Also there is a thread that allows us to create collections by denomination

Theology/Denomination Tags

Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

Maybe what we need is a collection of authors that don't believe the truth of scripture?

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 8 2014 9:46 AM

Peter Ainslie - Disciples of Christ - Restoration Movement.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 9 2014 1:37 PM

abondservant:

Might I suggest adding any resource with "Free Will Baptist" or "general baptist" in the title into the arminian group.

Ed Stetzer is southern baptist, he's a professor on campus and head of lifeway research.

C.I Scofield has a single title that is picked up erroneously by the pentacostal collection because he has a single book through the Gospel Publishing house.

I think I mentioned this in the past, but Charles Stanley was the president of the SBC... He should definitely be in that collection.

Thanks for the suggestions, abondservant.  I've added Ed Stetzer and entered Peter Ainslie's Denomination.  Charles Stanley was in the spreadsheet, but as Charles F. Stanley, so I've removed the F. in case that was the problem.  Hopefully you can wait for the next major edit before I refresh the published categories and spreadsheet.

I'm not sure about adding title suggestions, such as "Free Will Baptist", as that would include resources about Free Will Baptists, and not just resources written from that perspective.  If we can try to keep to Authors, it would be easier.

I'm not sure about removing Publisher = Gospel Publishing from the Pentecostal category if it's only for one book.  What were you suggesting?

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 9 2014 1:40 PM

David Ames:

This post is a blatant attempt to raise my post count as I have double posted it.

A Question that has been asked is:

Lee Garrison:

I think one question is that If the person that Biblical researcher does not believe the Book of the Bible is the true Word of God, then what is the real value of any research he/she does with the Bible. Is it pointless to read what the person has to say?

I'm just thinking out loud. What is your view on this?

What is the point of a commentary from someone that doesn't believe the truth of scripture?


Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

Also there is a thread that allows us to create collections by denomination

Theology/Denomination Tags

Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

Maybe what we need is a collection of authors that don't believe the truth of scripture?

Thanks, David.  I'm not sure how subjective this is though.  If you can find a way to define a category that all of the authors in the category would be happy with, then I'd be happy to add it.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 9 2014 3:06 PM

Andrew Baguley:

abondservant:

Might I suggest adding any resource with "Free Will Baptist" or "general baptist" in the title into the arminian group.

Ed Stetzer is southern baptist, he's a professor on campus and head of lifeway research.

C.I Scofield has a single title that is picked up erroneously by the pentacostal collection because he has a single book through the Gospel Publishing house.

I think I mentioned this in the past, but Charles Stanley was the president of the SBC... He should definitely be in that collection.

Thanks for the suggestions, abondservant.  I've added Ed Stetzer and entered Peter Ainslie's Denomination.  Charles Stanley was in the spreadsheet, but as Charles F. Stanley, so I've removed the F. in case that was the problem.  Hopefully you can wait for the next major edit before I refresh the published categories and spreadsheet.

I'm not sure about adding title suggestions, such as "Free Will Baptist", as that would include resources about Free Will Baptists, and not just resources written from that perspective.  If we can try to keep to Authors, it would be easier.

I'm not sure about removing Publisher = Gospel Publishing from the Pentecostal category if it's only for one book.  What were you suggesting?



Suggesting excluding the one title from the collection. As I recall a simple minus sign and then book title in quotes should suffice. -"whatever the book was called" - or else switch the book title for the authors name. Thus -scofield would likely also work.

Placed appropriately, that should suffice.

Also Dennis Gordon Lindsay is pentecostal/Charismatic. You may click the link and think "why am I on the page for CFNI"? DGL is president of CFNI, and his father founded it. He himself is careful not to mention a denominational affiliation, but his school in their code of moral conduct refers to the school as having "Pentecostal, charismatic and evangelical roots".


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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 9 2014 3:17 PM

Andrew Baguley:

David Ames:

This post is a blatant attempt to raise my post count as I have double posted it.

A Question that has been asked is:

Lee Garrison:

I think one question is that If the person that Biblical researcher does not believe the Book of the Bible is the true Word of God, then what is the real value of any research he/she does with the Bible. Is it pointless to read what the person has to say?

I'm just thinking out loud. What is your view on this?

What is the point of a commentary from someone that doesn't believe the truth of scripture?


Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

Also there is a thread that allows us to create collections by denomination

Theology/Denomination Tags

Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

Maybe what we need is a collection of authors that don't believe the truth of scripture?

Thanks, David.  I'm not sure how subjective this is though.  If you can find a way to define a category that all of the authors in the category would be happy with, then I'd be happy to add it.



Not sure people would jump out of the woodwork and claim that title David. We can create a positive group of people who are overt in their affirmation of the truth of scripture.

One might use the Chicago statement on innerancy as a line in the sand. Here is a list of those who signed it. Those who didn't sign it may or may not be strong or weak. Thus the list is not complete - but its a start. Also a number of people who write now, were born after its 1979 signing... So this is just a start. However, there are quite a few that likely have a presence in our libraries. INCL R.C. Sproul, Norman Geisler,Carl F.H. Henry, MacArthur, John Frame, Frank Gaebelein etc.

Some quick detective work turned up a second list of ministries that have affiliated themselves with CSBI - 9marks, Crossway Publishing (sbc), Banner of Truth, LIgionier ministries, Masters Theological Seminary, P&R Publishing, Reformed Theological Seminary, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Truth Remains (publishers of old bibles iirc), and Westminster Theological Seminary. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary is also VERY strong on infallibility and inerancy. For that matter, you can probably add any Southern Baptist Convention scholarship in the last 20 or so years to the list. As well as the following folks that were listed as bloggers on the CSBI website (Inerrantword.com)



Perhaps everyone would be happier with a catholic and protestant list of those strong on inerrancy.

EDIT #2 - I've typed up about 200 of the 300+ signers names... I won't have time this week to check them vs what logos sells... But I will post them here once finished.

Edit #3 I seem to notice a lot of overlap between signers of the CSBI and people who are associated with the Gospel Coalition. Which if I am remembering right expelled an individual for being weak here. Which I suppose might give us a name for a negative list should someone start one.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 9 2014 4:25 PM

abondservant:
Infallibility is the strongest of the words describing the inspiration of scripture. Not only is it true, it can't be wrong. Inerantist says it isn't wrong, but it could have been

dear bondservant.

while any discussion of the remainder of your post would probably better be held at christiandiscourse.com, let me just throw in that I have read multiple times - including from sources named by you - a different ranking, where inerrancy is thought of as the strongest of ways describing this idea, and infallibility as somewhat less (!).

We could try and find definitions in our Logos libraries (or wait for KS4J to do so in his unique manner), I just wanted to remark lest others be unnecessarily confused.

Mick

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 9 2014 6:49 PM

NB.Mick:

abondservant:
Infallibility is the strongest of the words describing the inspiration of scripture. Not only is it true, it can't be wrong. Inerantist says it isn't wrong, but it could have been

dear bondservant.

while any discussion of the remainder of your post would probably better be held at christiandiscourse.com, let me just throw in that I have read multiple times - including from sources named by you - a different ranking, where inerrancy is thought of as the strongest of ways describing this idea, and infallibility as somewhat less (!).

We could try and find definitions in our Logos libraries (or wait for KS4J to do so in his unique manner), I just wanted to remark lest others be unnecessarily confused.

Mick



You're right of course, I misspoke. I amended my post. I also adjusted the language somewhat dropping the heretic reference - even though it was in jest.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 14 2014 3:52 PM

James D. Berkley a Presbyterian

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 1 2014 3:49 PM

New Southern Baptist Subcategory. Its important and influential. Even today its considered when the baptist faith and message is updated.

Landmarkism was a subset of the SBC that came about as a response to the Stone-Campbell movement.

Citing Dr. Nathan Finn (professor of baptist history at SEBTS), the following groups and individuals are current/past authors tied to landmarkism. I can email you an excerpt from the notes, but I'm not allowed to post them publicly.

Proto-Landmark: Benjamin Keach, Thomas Crosby, Andrew Fuller (these three are english baptists), Isaac Backus, Jesse Mercer, (both Americans).

Landmarkists: J.M. Carroll, J.R. Graves, Paige Patterson (much of his writtings were, and he had this as a requirement for employment at the seminaries he led for a time, this position he has since largely backed away from), G. H. Orchard, J. M. Cramp, William Cathcart, Adam Taylor and D. B. Ray, Ben M. Bogard, J. M. Pendleton, A. C. Dayton, much of the publications of the Baptist Bible Board (led by Dayton, and pre-curser to the Baptist Sunday School Board, now lifeway), William H. Whitsitt (who later in life rejected aspects of landmarkism), American Baptists. 

A key component of this is Baptist Successionism - the linked wiki article names most of these people. Landmarkism Wiki page lists two names. But as I said, most are in the notes packet from my prof, that I can't post to the internet (though I will email a short excerpt for this purposes to Andrew if he wants).

Had to reinstall windows on my PC, and seem to have lost my excell spreadsheet with the names of the signers of the CSBI, will reproduce it as I can. 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 1 2014 4:06 PM

Another Subset of the SBC.

Anti-Missions Baptists (more accurately Anti-Mission Society, but that isn't what history calls them).
John Leland, John Taylor, Daniel Parker, Two Seed in the Spirit Predestinarian Baptists (now Primitive Baptists - who I should add are calvinist),  Alexander Campbell (who went on to form his own denomination subsequent to his involvement with Baptists),

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 7 2014 10:41 AM

John D. Barry Faithlife Author was the president of a Reformed church. I found his faithlife profile, followed the link to the churches page, and then found the denomination. However, I asked him specifically what denomination he's a part of, and what he said is in the third image.



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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 7 2014 10:42 AM

I can understand not wanting to be tied to any particular position, but that is quite unhelpful to this project. I know I will be listing him as reformed/christian reformed church in my own library.

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 15 2014 4:52 AM

Just a note to remind everyone to double check the spelling of the Bible books. I just found misspellings in Pauline Prison Epistles, Pauline Epistles, and a couple others with respect to Colossians and Philippians (and probably others). I found the errors when updating my Romans collection from a recent purchase.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 3 2014 4:42 PM

Assemblies of God should be added to Believers Baptism (Immersion).

http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

Evangelical Free Church as well.

http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

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Jim R. Keener | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 7 2014 10:02 PM

I love this one since this is where my core beliefs are centered.

Jim R. Keener

 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 8 2014 4:21 AM

Which one Jim?

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