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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 25 2017 5:35 AM

PetahChristian:

Phil recently posted that FL is discussing how to incorporate Denominations and Theological tagging into Logos:

"This is definitely something we'd like to do. We've been discussing it internally and want to make sure we approach it in the right way. Once we have an agreed-upon approach, it's just a matter of timing when to do the work."

Looking forward to this as an added feature.

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 25 2017 6:17 AM

PetahChristian:

Phil recently posted that FL is discussing how to incorporate Denominations and Theological tagging into Logos:

"This is definitely something we'd like to do. We've been discussing it internally and want to make sure we approach it in the right way. Once we have an agreed-upon approach, it's just a matter of timing when to do the work."

Thanks for the cross-post.  I would have missed it otherwise.  

Those who use this project may want to see one of the ways I see this developing here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/133058/918806.aspx#918806 and consider voting for the new development here: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w

Logos have only taken on the Denomination/Theology project because of all the interest shown in it.  Votes count, and it's taken five years for them to get round to discussing an approach to it.  The project may be controversial (it certainly was at the start at least), but it's useful and could be increasingly so.

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Pastor Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 5:45 AM

Andrew, thanks so much for putting this together - it's a fantastic resource. 

On opening it on my Mac, running the latest version of Excel as of November 2017, Visual Basic gives a compile error, "Can't find project or library." 

Any ideas?

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 7:06 AM

One Hope Fellowship:

Andrew, thanks so much for putting this together - it's a fantastic resource. 

On opening it on my Mac, running the latest version of Excel as of November 2017, Visual Basic gives a compile error, "Can't find project or library." 

Any ideas?

Thanks for the encouragement.

It would be great if someone else was able to step in on this one.  Randy W. Sims did the work on the macros that generate the rules.  If he was able to help that would be greatly appreciated.

If no-one steps in soon, I'll try to look into it, or at least try to publish a copy without macros, which I'm assuming would work.

Also, I'll add another request that those who appreciate this project might like to consider voting for a project that builds on this one here: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w 

There's a longer explanation here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/133058.aspx 

and here:  https://community.logos.com/forums/p/133058/918806.aspx#918806 

Thanks again for the encouragement.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 2 2017 12:06 PM

Andrew Baguley:

One Hope Fellowship:

Andrew, thanks so much for putting this together - it's a fantastic resource. 

On opening it on my Mac, running the latest version of Excel as of November 2017, Visual Basic gives a compile error, "Can't find project or library." 

Any ideas?

Thanks for the encouragement.

It would be great if someone else was able to step in on this one.  Randy W. Sims did the work on the macros that generate the rules.  If he was able to help that would be greatly appreciated.

I keep hoping VB.* will die, but every time I think it's gone... It comes back again. It's a tool of the devil. To make programmers cuss and throw stuff. How about C++, C#, Perl, or Ruby. I'd even take Python or Java over VB. Oh, well... Let's see...

Just giving a brief look, I'm guessing it's my use of the Microsoft Scripting Library (for the Dictionary/Hash) which isn't available on Mac (says Google; I don't have a Mac to test on). I'd have to find an alternative or code around it... 

Does the error prevent the spreadsheet from opening? You don't actually need to run any code to use the sheet. The code is mainly for Andrew when he updates the tables. Does the error prevent you from viewing the Workbook? Can you dismiss it and continue?

Mmm, I think OLE should probably be removed from the References too. (Alt+F11 to Code Editor, Tools => References menu)

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 3 2017 4:34 AM

Randy W. Sims:

I keep hoping VB.* will die, but every time I think it's gone... It comes back again. It's a tool of the devil. To make programmers cuss and throw stuff. How about C++, C#, Perl, or Ruby. I'd even take Python or Java over VB. Oh, well... Let's see...

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One advantage of Python is that it is free.  I believe that it is open source while Java is 'owned'. 

The PROBLEM is that changing languages requires a total rewrite of the code. Have Fun!  [[And thanks]] 

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Julian West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 3 2017 1:03 PM

'free' and 'owned' are independent things; both are under license (nothing isn't).

Java SE is free; the advanced enterprise versions (not relevant here) are not. 

cf. https://www.aspera.com/en/blog/understanding-oracle-java-se-licensing/

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 4 2017 4:12 AM

The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 1300.Denominations and Theology - 4 November 2017 (no macros).xlsx

The reference guide is still: 0763.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference - 5 April 2016.doc

The spreadsheet excludes the VBA Project code, as suggested above.  I was surprised to find that removing the code reduced it from over 13 MB to just over 2MB.  At this size, it isn't worth compressing.  I tried it and there was little gain, so I've added it as a spreadsheet, rather than a zip file.

There hasn't been too much work done on it since the last release, as I've been waiting to see what Logos produces.  There would be no point in me duplicating their work, so it's disappointing that nothing has appeared yet.

However, I have added a lot more charismatics to the list.  This is based on Craig Keener's list in "Spirit Hermeneutics: Reading Scripture in Light of Pentecost", which was released by Logos yesterday.  I've kept these charismatics coded slightly differently in the spreadsheet, in case they prove controversial, but I suspect it's a highly reliable list.

I've also updated the "Theology: Charismatics" collection at https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents.

This should be useful for the 553 people who had downloaded its predecessor, out of the 1236 people who are members of this project.

Feedback appreciated as always.  Gratitude expressed in the form of votes for a project that builds on this work would be even more appreciated: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/17871697-create-a-database-of-biblical-issues-and-stances-w 

Thanks.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 4 2017 4:37 AM

Thank you Andrew for your continued efforts to keep your work up to date. I have meticulously used it to tag all of my library which increases its usefulness. Your work is appreciated.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 4 2017 6:06 AM

Andrew Baguley:
The spreadsheet excludes the VBA Project code, as suggested above.  I was surprised to find that removing the code reduced it from over 13 MB to just over 2MB. 

I'm not sure why Excel does this. But you can re-import the code back in to the no-macro file, add reference back to Microsoft Scripting Runtime (the ref was removed when saved without macros), and save as a macro enabled file and the file will stay at a little over 2 MB. I have no idea why the file bloats like that.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 31 2018 9:50 AM

just checking in, haven't noticed any updates here in approaching a half year. any word on Logos adding this level of granularity into the software?

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2018 11:14 PM

Bump. This is a good resource. Any updates? 

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 24 2018 5:25 AM

ChelseaFC:

Bump. This is a good resource. Any updates? 

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2018 3:30 AM

Definitely, but we love Conte!!!! 

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Angela Lott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 11:29 PM

Andrew Baguley:

This all looks good and we could spend quite some time honing it between us.  My post was to make it look doable, and potentially useful.

However, my basic point is that Logos are willing to label resources for marketing purposes, as Rosie points out, so my request is that they simply add these tags to the actual resources within Logos and create collections based on them, thus saving hundreds or thousands of us creating these collections for ourselves. 

EXACTLY!!! The tagging is there when we search on the Logos.com website so why can't that just be integrated with searching one's library?

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Sandro Polenta | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2018 11:47 PM

This is a very good point. I would greatly appreciate such a tagging. 

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Bill | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 4:13 AM

Sandro Polenta:

This is a very good point. I would greatly appreciate such a tagging. 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 6:01 AM

Andrew - have you had the time to add any updates in the past year? Would love to see these updated for L8 as well.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 9 2018 6:28 AM

Andrew, Here is a small modification that uses the new exact match operator (L7.15) to speed up library queries. I've only applied it to the "Author" field. I'm assuming the authors listed in the spreadsheet are all Exact Matches, otherwise results will be reduced. From what I can tell, the Publisher field isn't exact match, so I didn't apply the optimization on it. Eg the second rule in the sheet has a publisher "Mennonite" which matches on "Mennonite Book and Tract Society", "Mennonite Book Concern", "Mennonite Publishing", but there is no exact match for simply, "Mennonite". OTOH, the rule also includes "Herald Publishing" and the current non-exact match finds "Franciscan Herald Publishing", which is probably not intentional. Let me know if my assumptions are wrong.

In the "Rules" module, the last function, "JoinRuleElems" change the line:

JoinRuleElems = Field & ":(" & StrList & ")"

To:

If Field = "Author" Then
    JoinRuleElems = "{" & Field & " " & StrList & "}"
Else
    JoinRuleElems = Field & ":(" & StrList & ")"
End If

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Andrew Baguley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 10 2018 7:26 AM

Randy W. Sims:

Andrew, Here is a small modification ...

Many thanks, Randy.  That seems to work for the first collection I tested it on at least. 

I think ideally I would remove all references to publishers and series, leaving just authors.  I would then add about another 1000 authors to cover Logos Ultimate (which incorporates all other base packages).  This would constitute quite a bit of work, which I've been reluctant to do, as Logos suggested that they were going to categorise all authors and allow this categorisation to be used to filter in the library, etc.  I'm assuming this would be a use of the new faceted sidebar, although I haven't seen any sign of denominations or theologies in Logos 8, never mind countries and dates, as in the spreadsheet that drives this project.  I've been holding off until Logos 8 arrived, thinking that it would make the spreadsheet obsolete.  Now it's arrived, I'm disappointed that there is still no sign of the functionality, but I am still reluctant to put in the work until I know what Logos' plans are.  If they plan to release something that will make my spreadsheet obsolete in the next six months, then I would feel I had been wasting my time.

Speaking of time, this has become much more scarce since I started this project and, with twins on the way, it's likely to become even more so.  There is no real incentive to continue with it, other than the knowledge that it's used by so many people (well over 1400 users in the group at the last count, never mind those who use the raw data more directly).  It has been hyped by Logos as being crowdsourced, but apart from your work on the macros, some initial input by a range of users, and the occasional suggestion since then, it has largely been down to me.  I would happily add well-attested reliable bulk data as I occasionally have but, other than that, it means a good bit of work to research individual authors.

Logos has basically shown no sign of rewarding me, assisting me or engaging with me on this, other than to promote the project on their blogs and in their videos.  (They did also create a new icon for the project.)  As I said, they haven't even given me any real indication as to whether it will become redundant and, if so, when.  If I thought it was worthwhile, I would continue, but without communication, it's impossible to tell.

Thanks again, Randy.  As you can see, my response is meant as a response not only to you, but as a general response to those who have been waiting for updates. I hope it's understandable.  Thanks for all the time you've put into the macros.

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