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Unix | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 1 2012 5:11 AM

I have supported this suggestion before: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/11686/387275.aspx#387275
I would like to have the 1966 Jerusalem Bible Reader's Edition or the similar 1975 Bible In Order, Joseph Rhymer, Editor

Discussions: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=9841027#post9841027

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 1 2012 10:41 AM

Yes

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 14 2012 4:27 AM

I wrote something interesting about the JB: Unix
Here's a review of it: Read More......
... one reviewer says that: "The "Jerusalem" version is really popular in England, France, and Canada." (November 4, 2006 Bradley Headstone "Sean ARES Hirsch" (New York)) (5 star review).
... one reviewer says that: "the Jerusalem Bible has had broad appeal across denominational lines. It has been particularly popular among Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox." (December 7, 2000 Lance Goldsberry) (5 star review).

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 28 2012 8:59 AM

Here's a brief introduction to the Jerusalem Bible: http://www.whs.humanists.ca/lib/bible.jerusalem.html

http://jimmyakin.com/2005/01/the_new_america.html
-> "The Jerusalem Bible doesn't feel even slightly Catholic in its renderings.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 28 2012 3:50 PM

I am very happy to have the NJB in Logos and would love the chance to buy the Jerusalem Bible, especially if they got the full Bible with it's notes.

-Dan

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 5:25 AM

The NJB is not good and has sometimes more translation errors, see for example this reply by a real Bible translator:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7625834/

The JB is not the predecessor of the NJB. The NJB is a standalone version. Henry Wansbrough lies in the foreword to the NJB. When I collect information about different Bible versions I investigate things and don't believe the marketing.

I'm not asking for the full notes of the Jerusalem Bible Standard Edition. I don't have any study Bibles, I use real commentaries instead.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 11:11 AM

http://www.tyndale.org/TSJ/6/day.html

Has a good comparison of translation styles… NO translation is perfect and the original JB had serious flaws… The Psalms in the original JB I was told had several places where Yahweh was removed for stylistic reasons and replaced by God, I am told all these have been corrected in the NJB. Obviously each translation has flaws, the one pointed out above as you pointed out means the same thing although removes the mystical number 3, which is most sad, Judaism has always held several numbers in high regard (40, 3, 1, 7, 12, 10, and perhaps to a lesser extent 5 ). I am lucky enough to own the JB in 3 copies (the Large readers edition with Dali's art work, an imitation leather readers edition and the standard edition with slipcover) and I will consider myself extremely lucky to get it in Logos if we have the chance. The notes are important in these editions for explaining choices and translation anomalies, very often i see lit. "whatever" and then stating why a less than literal translation is made. I feel JB will be a wonderful addition to Logos, and I hope they go after it, but I will continue to use and love the NJB.

-Dan

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2012 5:23 AM

The Jerusalem Bible is ecumenical. See for example this: http://www.christianforums.com/t5002516-2/#post32939286
Those of You who have time to wade through, can read and participate in discussion at: http://www.christianforums.com/t7653202-3/#post61844962
... please bump that thread and also this thread!

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 6:30 AM

I just added the link to this thread Jerusalem Bible or 1975 Bible In Order to my Christianforums signature: so You who are not members of community.logos.com can register without having to make an initial purchase. Post here to support the typesetting so that we get this available in Logos sometime in the future!

Quote: "The Jerusalem Bible (NOT the New Jerusalem Bible) is one of the best translations I have found. I recommend it...for both the Old and New Testaments." ... post number 49 posted on october 31. 2010 02:44:37 GMT+1h by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
... from: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2617732/posts

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 10:01 AM

PSALM 23 The Good Shepherd
Psalm of David.

Yahweh is my shepherd,
I lack nothing.

In meadows of green grass He lets me lie.
To the waters of repose He leads me;
there He revives my soul.

He guides me by paths of virtue
for the sake of His name.

Though I pass through a gloomy valley,
I fear no harm;
beside me Your rod and Your staff
are there, to hearten me.

You prepare a table before me
under the eyes of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil,
my cup brims over.

Ah, how goodness and kindness pursue me,
every day of my life;
my home, the house of Yahweh,
as long as I live!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 11:31 AM

Dan Francis:

PSALM 23 The Good Shepherd
Psalm of David.

Yahweh is my shepherd,
I lack nothing.

In meadows of green grass He lets me lie.
To the waters of repose He leads me;
there He revives my soul.

He guides me by paths of virtue
for the sake of His name.

Though I pass through a gloomy valley,
I fear no harm;
beside me Your rod and Your staff
are there, to hearten me.

You prepare a table before me
under the eyes of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil,
my cup brims over.

Ah, how goodness and kindness pursue me,
every day of my life;
my home, the house of Yahweh,
as long as I live!

 

           Peace, Dan...                        From Roman Catholic Site:  http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=23

I'm sort of foud of it!             Guess maybe eventually I'll have to do my own translation

 

 
       

1 [Psalm Of David] Yahweh is my shepherd, I lack nothing.

2 In grassy meadows he lets me lie. By tranquil streams he leads me

3 to restore my spirit. He guides me in paths of saving justice as befits his name.

4 Even were I to walk in a ravine as dark as death I should fear no danger, for you are at my side. Your staff and your crook are there to soothe me.

5 You prepare a table for me under the eyes of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup brims over.

6 Kindness and faithful love pursue me every day of my life. I make my home in the house of Yahweh for all time to come.

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 4:54 PM

I quoted the Jerusalem Bible, you have quoted the New Jerusalem Bible. I personally like both with perhaps a little more personal favour towards the NJB.

-Dan

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 5:13 PM

Peace, Dan!              I always appreciate your sharings!     *smile* 

 How beautiful is God's Word!  How Beautiful our Christian Faith!

              Oh taste and see that the Lord is good!      Psalm 34:8

Come, everyone who thirsts,

come to the waters;

and he who has no money,

e

Come, buy wine and milk

without money and without price.

2 Why do you spend your money for that which is not bread,

and your labor for that which does not satisfy?

Listen diligently to me, and eat what is good,

and delight yourselves in rich food. Isaiah 55:1-2

come, buy and eat!

     Part of my problem is I have so many favourite "Scripture Passages" and so many favourite Bibles that I'm hard-pressed at any given moment to choose and so many favourite Logos Resources!   

                  It's like going into a Vacation Hotel Dining room with a fantastic and splendid smorgasbord!               *smile*

fgh, please remember us this YuleTide!         

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Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Brennan Doherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 6:21 PM

I just upgraded to the Verbum Logos software and requested that the Jerusalem Bible be added as a translation. It is just a beautiful translation. Good to see others want it as well. I hope it can get added soon. 

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 6:34 PM

Peace, Brennan!

          I have the New Jerusalem Bible which I love, available only in U.S. and Canada.  I live in Ontario, Canada.            Where do you live?  If you're in North America, it's available now for you.  *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 10 2012 5:21 AM

I WANT THE JERUSALEM BIBLE OR THE BIBLE IN ORDER!

"I like the 1984 NIV": https://www.google.se/#q=%22i%20like%20the%201984%20niv%22&nfpr=1&ei=htXFUKn8NuOH4gS1soCABw&sqi=2&start=0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1354675689,d.bGE&fp=cf332b451947a901&bpcl=39650382&biw=1024&bih=613
... only 7 search results (0.3 seconds).

http://www.monachos.net/forum/showthread.php?6570-The-Jerusalem-Bible
... the two first posts by Cyril D. and Fr Cyprian (Humphrey).

http://thecatholicwriter.com/catholicwriter/something-to-say/
... "I use mainly the Jerusalem Bible for my readings."

Review of the CTS New Catholic Bible. This has many differences to the JB and NJB: http://catholicbibles.blogspot.se/2011/06/guest-review-cts-bible.html

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2012 12:25 AM

More recent information about the Jerusalem Bible, for example a source about that it's ecumenical: http://www.christianforums.com/t7707894-post61974325/#post61974325

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 25 2012 5:39 PM

A recent post about the JB: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=10153535&postcount=4

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JHM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 26 2013 3:33 PM

I have 7 different versions of the Bible. 1) The King James Version, 2) The Revised Standard Version, 3) The Ryrie Study Bible - New American Standard Version, 4) The New International Version, 5) The Darby Translation, 6) The New Revised Standard Version, and 7) The Jerusalem Bible.

I first read the Bible, (Revised Standard Version), cover to cover in 1973; and concluded it was real, because someone, a very long time ago, knew far more about the future than any human being could have possibly known.

I then read the Jerusalem Bible (copyright 1966, by Darton, Longman, and Todd Ltd.) cover to cover taking notes. Wherein any subject that raised my interest, got entered, (subject, chapter, verse-s), on the top of a blank page in my notebook, and any further references to that subject or any related subject, got thier subject, chapter, and verse-s entered on that page.

After that I read all 7 versions that I have, comparing them on a verse by verse basis, to see if any one version was more accurate than others. Once finished, I concluded that the Jerusalem Bible was the most accurate overall of the 7 versions I have, the New Revised Standard Version the second most accurate, and the Darby Translation the third most accurate.

For what it is worth, SEE : http://imageshack.us/a/img407/1921/idiotsheet001.jpg

SEE ALSO : http://studygodsletter.org/index.php?topic=30.0

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 26 2013 5:19 PM

Welcome to the Logos forums. With Logos you can update the technology behind your work.Wink

JHM:
comparing them on a verse by verse basis, to see if any one version was more accurate than others.

What original language version did you use to determine accuracy? I happen to be very fond of the Jerusalem Bible, especially the translation of Ps. 4.  But I'd be hard pressed coming up with a heuristic for accuracy that I would apply broadly.

JHM:
For what it is worth

$0.00?

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