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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:28 AM

Mark Smith:

Gary Butner:
"BRAGGING RIGHTS." 

Important to some, I guess. How about substituting size of library which is what the old paper books on a shelf standard was? (Well I have over 1,000 books just on the Holy Spirit!, or some such nonsense like that.)

So if you have 1;000 Holy Spirit books to my 500, then you have more of the Spirit, correct? I suspect that should be spirit, with a small s.  :)

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:38 AM

Logos could increase sales ten fold by adding a diamond under our picture for every 1,000 books in our libraries.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:42 AM

Gary Butner:
Logos could increase sales ten fold by adding a diamond under our picture for every 1,000 books in our libraries.

Thanks for the laugh.

Maybe a bigger size avatar, too?

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:42 AM

Gary Butner:

Logos could increase sales ten fold by adding a diamond under our picture for every 1,000 books in our libraries.

Yes I'd have to unhide Perseus if they did that.Wink

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Mark E. Ryman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:49 AM

I was very disappointed to see that I would have to spend $1,500 to upgrade my Platinum package to L5 Platinum. The disappointment comes from not actually wanting the additional books. I already have over 3,000 books in my Logos library. I only add the titles I really want. And I do so pretty often. But if I have to spend $1,500 to upgrade, I cannot purchase the books that I truly want to have. 

My disappointment abates a bit on two points. One, the video about the upgrade tells me that it is not something I truly need anyway. I already do the things it does (the one I care about anyway: topic guide) in ways that L4 already does but does in other ways. Two, perhaps later, I can cheaply upgrade to the functionality without the unwanted volumes. I gather this is called "crossgrade." It would have to be pretty inexpensive though for the little it would offer me. $29 would buy a good book (or two) on pre-pub or community pricing. That is far more valuable to me than what an L5 upgrade or crossgrade appears to offer.  

So, disappointed? Yes. But not as much as I first thought.  

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:50 AM

Gary Butner:
Logos could increase sales ten fold by adding a diamond under our picture for every 1,000 books in our libraries.

Or maybe, like the airlines, have an exclusive 'club room' where only those who've spend $$$$ can hangout and get free virtual lattes. Of course you'd have to spend $$$ each year to keep your membership. HMM.

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Austin Preik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 7:51 AM

Gary Butner:

David Housholder:

The suggestion of a crossgrade eventually being available with no new books but the version 5 tools: That sounds good except that the new tools are not all available unless you go to the highest upgrade. Even a one or two step upgrade now does not include all the new tools. 

I currently have the Platinum 4 package, and 5,446 resources. My upgrade cost is $550, but that also adds several commentary sets, tools, etc. I could step down to the Silver 5 package, and gain the new tools for $132.59. What have I lost by choosing Silver can be summed up in two words, "BRAGGING RIGHTS." 

With respect, it appears that silver offers fewer features than Platinum.  It is not clear, which is part of the problem.

Site says re Silver - "Powerful, precise tools for knowing the Bible. Logos 5 Silver includes everything from Bronze, plus new visual filters and the highly specific Clause Search. You’ll also access the Timeline, Sermon Starter, and a library of more than 690 books—a library worth over $13,000 in print."

So this offers the same features as bronze, plus some, but fewer than gold?  So perhaps it is maybe at least slightly possible that it is more than a concern than bragging rights?   

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Mark E. Ryman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:02 AM

Now it says my personalized upgrade would be about $600. Still...no. Just wanted to clarify the previously stated price.

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:07 AM

Mark E. Ryman:

Now it says my personalized upgrade would be about $600. Still...no. Just wanted to clarify the previously stated price.

Mark if you just want the new features (clause search, sermon starter guide) which require specific datasets (which were not free to create, for the clause search they had the Bible manually tagged to allow search for a person to include for example where they are referred to by a pronoun). Because of the cost they cannot offer those for free. After the product launch period (when the servers are not being taxed by upgrade downloads with massive resources) you can purchase the minimal crossgrade with the new features and datasets. Or just get the free software engine.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:24 AM

Steven Langella:
it will cost me 500 to upgrade.
That is for the new resources and databases. Bob Pritchett explained the future engine download here.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:26 AM

Hi Stephen

Steven Langella:
it will cost me 500 to upgrade

I don't know what packages you have at the moment but what is it going to cost you $500 to upgrade from and to?

The reason behind the question is to try and understand what extra features / resources you would get with this upgrade and whether that is worth it to you.

If not, one option would be to wait until the details of the crossgrade option are available and see whether that is a better route for you

Graham 

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Pastor Roger | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:31 AM

Reading all the comments on this thread, I would have to conclude that the Logos marketing department did not do their homework on how to present this upgrade to the customer.  There is a lot of confusion and misinformation.  The common complaint is, "Just show us how to get the engine upgrade, period", then we can decide if we want to add resources.  I think it's that simple.  It's been said that there is a crossgrade coming...that needs to be defined for the layman.  Again, marketing has failed in this regard.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:45 AM

Roger,

We're trying to take up the proverbial slack on this. (We being the volunteer MVP's) Big Smile

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:53 AM

Mark E. Ryman:
I was very disappointed to see that I would have to spend $1,500 to upgrade my Platinum package to L5 Platinum. The disappointment comes from not actually wanting the additional books. I already have over 3,000 books in my Logos library. I only add the titles I really want. And I do so pretty often. But if I have to spend $1,500 to upgrade, I cannot purchase the books that I truly want to have. 

 

I agree. one more voice: I want to be able to upgrade the program at some reasonable price. Wordsearch upgrades in recent years have been less than $100

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 8:56 AM

Josh Hunt:

Mark E. Ryman:
I was very disappointed to see that I would have to spend $1,500 to upgrade my Platinum package to L5 Platinum. The disappointment comes from not actually wanting the additional books. I already have over 3,000 books in my Logos library. I only add the titles I really want. And I do so pretty often. But if I have to spend $1,500 to upgrade, I cannot purchase the books that I truly want to have. 

 

I agree. one more voice: I want to be able to upgrade the program at some reasonable price. Wordsearch upgrades in recent years have been less than $100

You can crossgrade for a minimal price (last time under $100) you just won't get new books. This will be available after the L5 product launch so the servers will be not be shut down. You don't have to upgrade, just wait, get the crossgrade (like they had available for L4) and then purchase the books you want.

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John Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:04 AM

BINGO!! This is a HUGE marketing blunder. I find it humorous that it's the forum MVPs who have to explain Logos' poor communication/manipulative marketing. 

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:27 AM

John Murphy:

BINGO!! This is a HUGE marketing blunder. I find it humorous that it's the forum MVPs who have to explain Logos' poor communication/manipulative marketing. 

If I recall correctly Logo 4 was introduced the same way, with the new tools only available with upgrades. The only marketing mistake Logos made in my opinion was in using the same package names on most of the packages. How many would be complaining if they had been offered upgrades from Gold to Senator, Platinum to Majestic, etc?

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Ken Hicks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:31 AM

This! Yes

 

Gary Butner:

How many would be complaining if they had been offered upgrades from Gold to Senator, Platinum to Majestic, etc?

 

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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:34 AM

Nathaniel Stamper:

I am with you. This is a huge let down by the company.

Unfortunately I get the increasingly impression that the attitude exhibited on the forums, if not by Logos itself, is along the lines of 'tough, if you don't like it, don't buy it, no-one's holding a gun to your head, stop grouching and be grateful'. I hope that impression is mistaken, but certainly many of the company's defenders on here seem to approve of it.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 2 2012 9:36 AM

Gary Butner:

John Murphy:

BINGO!! This is a HUGE marketing blunder. I find it humorous that it's the forum MVPs who have to explain Logos' poor communication/manipulative marketing. 

If I recall correctly Logo 4 was introduced the same way, with the new tools only available with upgrades. The only marketing mistake Logos made in my opinion was in using the same package names on most of the packages. How many would be complaining if they had been offered upgrades from Gold to Senator, Platinum to Majestic, etc?

I think you are right, the same names are a problem. The resources contained in the packages are different to L4, thus new names may have been better. But maybe Logos thought, "the users are professional exegetes, they are used to read the nuances of content and context instead of falling for such a fallacy."

And, btw, John is wrong, since leading Logos personnel including CEO Bob Pritchett himself are active in the forums and explain the same stuff all over again 

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