References in Exegetical Summaries in the L5 Gold and up packages link to titles but not pages

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Nov 3 2012 4:28 PM

I took the plunge and upgraded my L4 Platinum to L5 Platinum.

One of resources that justified the expense in my mind is the Exegetical Summaries that is available for L5 Gold and up
(http://www.logos.com/product/4294/exegetical-summaries-series).

I'm very disappointed to find out that this resource does not link to specific pages in its references to commentaries.

It only links to title pages.

This is a big enough problem for me that I am strongly considering asking for a refund on my upgrade and waiting for the crossgrade only option to be released.

I wish Logos would be more upfront and specific on their product descriptions to indicate exactly how the linking for each resource will work.

The product page for this resources states, "All references to commentaries and lexicons are linked to the titles in your digital library, and Scripture references are linked to Greek and Hebrew texts and English translations."

I guess it is my fault that I assumed that the references would be linked to the appropriate pages in each commentary and lexicon.

Either way, pretty disappointing!

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 4:37 PM

That is a huge hole, one that I imagine Logos will address and fix. Question is, how long will it take?

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 4:38 PM

Another problem is that its lexical references are to the old BAGD instead of the new BDAG.

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KPK | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 5:04 PM

I bought this a month ago and someone recommended it to. I don't like this particular series, maybe that's because I don't know how to use it?

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Jannie van Niekerk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 5:11 PM

Russ Quinn:

I'm very disappointed to find out that this resource does not link to specific pages in its references to commentaries.

Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for the report. I'll take a look at this issue first thing on Monday.

 

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 26 2012 11:40 AM

Jannie van Niekerk:

Russ Quinn:

I'm very disappointed to find out that this resource does not link to specific pages in its references to commentaries.

Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for the report. I'll take a look at this issue first thing on Monday.

 

Do you have an update on this, Jannie? It would help me in deciding whether to upgrade to L5 Platinum.

Thanks.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 26 2012 12:04 PM

Russ Quinn:

I'm very disappointed to find out that this resource does not link to specific pages in its references to commentaries.

Logos' normal practice is to link to page numbers when the page number is in the original resource. It would be an enormous amount of work for someone to go through and tag everything. Part of the problem is that when Logos opens a link without a page number, it goes to the beginning of that resource. It would make more sense (at least in this case) to open the resource to the same reference that Exegetical Summaries is open to. That's what happens if I open a Bible from the library or command bar. If an override could be created so that also happened from exegetical summaries, no tagging would be needed.

But more of a problem is that many of the resources aren't linked at all, because Exegetical Summaries is a fairly old resource. Just looking at the Ephesians volume, it's missing links to all of the following volumes, which are all available in Logos:

  • Alford, Henry. “Ephesians”. In vol 3 of The Greek Testament. 1874. Revised by Everett F. Harrison. Chicago: Moody Press, 1958.
  • Barnes, Albert. Notes on the New Testament. Nd. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker, 1972.
  • Bauer, Walter. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Translated and adapted from the 5th ed., 1958 by William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich. 2d English ed. revised and augmented by F. Wilbur Gingrich and Frederick W. Danker. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979.
  • Calvin, John. Calvin’s Commentaries, vol. 12 Nd. Reprint. Wilmington, Delaware: Associated Publishers and Authors, Nd.
  • Candlish, James S. The Epistle of Paul to the Ephesians. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1901.
  • Thompson, G. H. P. The Letters of Paul to the Ephesians to the Colossians and to Philemon. The Cambridge Bible Commentary. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1967.
  • Delitzsch, Franz. Biblical Commentary on the Psalms, vol. 2. Translated from the German 2nd edition by Francis Bolton. Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament by C. F. Keil and F. Delitzsch. Nd. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1959.
  • Brown, Colin, ed. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology. Translated, with additions and revisions, from Theologisches Begriffslexikon zum Neuen Testament, edited by Lothar Coenen, Erich Beyreuther, and Hans Bietenhard. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1975.
  • Wood, A. Skevington. “Ephesians”. In vol. 11 of The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, edited by Frank E. Gabelein. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1978.
  • Salmond, S. D. F. “The Epistle to the Ephesians,” In vol. 3 of The Expositor’s Greek Testament, edited by W. Robertson Nicoll. Nd. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1970.
  • Field, Frederick. Notes on the Translation of the New Testament. Cambridge: University Press, 1899.
  • Hodge, Charles. A Commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians. 1856. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1950.
  • Bromiley, Geoffrey W., ed. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. 4 vols. Fully revised. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1979.
  • Kidner, Derek. Psalms 1–72. An Introduction and Commentary on Books 1 and 2 of the Psalms. The Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries. Downers Grove, Ill.: Inter-Varsity, 1973.
  • Leupold, H. C. Exposition of the Psalms. Columbus, Ohio: Wartburg, 1959.
  • Lightfoot, J. B. Notes on the Epistles of St. Paul. 1895. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1957.
  • Maclaren, Alexander. “The Psalms”. In vol. 3 of The Expositor’s Bible, edited by W. Robertson Nicoll. 1903. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker, 1982.
  • Spurgeon, C. H. The Treasury of David. 6 vols. Nd. Reprint. London and Edinburgh: Marshall, Morgan and Scott, 1950.
  • Stott, John R. W. God’s New Society: The Message of Ephesians. Downers Grove, Ill.: Inter-Varsity, 1979.
  • Foulkes, Francis. The Epistle of Paul to the Ephesians. The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1956.

Jannie van Niekerk:
I'll take a look at this issue first thing on Monday.

On a much more important note, is Logos ever going to re-release BAGD? You could make a lot of money from it, as so many resources link to it, it's worth having as a reference, even though it's been replaced.

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Daniel Bender | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 26 2012 12:29 PM

Mark Barnes:
On a much more important note, is Logos ever going to re-release BAGD? You could make a lot of money from it, as so many resources link to it, it's worth having as a reference, even though it's been replaced.

YesYes

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Mr. Simple | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 26 2012 1:31 PM

My experience also includes Logos 5 crashing when clicking on many of the links in  the series. I gave up on using them, because I can never predict when it will abort abruptly.

I would submit logs, but since the Logos tool does not provide a point and click way of submitting logs, as for instance OS/X itself produces for operating system problems, I don't have the time/patience to file them all.

 

 

 

 

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 26 2012 5:04 PM

Jannie van Niekerk:

Russ Quinn:

I'm very disappointed to find out that this resource does not link to specific pages in its references to commentaries.

Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for the report. I'll take a look at this issue first thing on Monday.

 

Please get back with us. Some tagging will make this set more useful. Thanks.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 12:57 AM

Mark Barnes:
many of the resources aren't linked at all, because Exegetical Summaries is a fairly old resource

It was updated less than a month ago. And they didn't fix this??

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Kevin Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 1:16 AM

I'm a bit shocked that these links are virtually broken.  Based on the practical uses for this resource the direct linking is key.  The 1st edition print versions of this set are actually only about 14 years old so they are not old.  

Mark brought in a great point, I hope Logos re-releases the BAGD since so many resources cite and link to it.  I have the BDAG but I'd get the BAGD for sure.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 2:11 AM

fgh:

Mark Barnes:
many of the resources aren't linked at all, because Exegetical Summaries is a fairly old resource

It was updated less than a month ago. And they didn't fix this??

The general policy is that they don't update the links in old resources. References to existing Logos products should be complete when the resource is released, but resources that are released later don't get added back in.

There are exceptions for important resources like BDAG and AYBD, but that's the general policy.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 4:39 AM

I agree it would be MUCH more useful to have tagging done in Exegetical Summaries. I would even pay for an 'upgrade' to see this done.  However, with Logos promoting their Bible Guides, I could see why they would not be too excited about upgrading Exegetical Summaries as it is a related competing product.

Regardless, I find Exegetical Summaries useful enough as it is. It's a shame though about this lacking feature and hope I am wrong about getting the tagging done.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 8:32 PM

Mark Barnes:

Russ Quinn:

I'm very disappointed to find out that this resource does not link to specific pages in its references to commentaries.

Logos' normal practice is to link to page numbers when the page number is in the original resource. It would be an enormous amount of work for someone to go through and tag everything. Part of the problem is that when Logos opens a link without a page number, it goes to the beginning of that resource. It would make more sense (at least in this case) to open the resource to the same reference that Exegetical Summaries is open to. That's what happens if I open a Bible from the library or command bar. If an override could be created so that also happened from exegetical summaries, no tagging would be needed.

But more of a problem is that many of the resources aren't linked at all, because Exegetical Summaries is a fairly old resource. Just looking at the Ephesians volume, it's missing links to all of the following volumes, which are all available in Logos:

  • Alford, Henry. “Ephesians”. In vol 3 of The Greek Testament. 1874. Revised by Everett F. Harrison. Chicago: Moody Press, 1958.
  • Barnes, Albert. Notes on the New Testament. Nd. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker, 1972.
  • Bauer, Walter. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Translated and adapted from the 5th ed., 1958 by William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich. 2d English ed. revised and augmented by F. Wilbur Gingrich and Frederick W. Danker. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979.
  • Calvin, John. Calvin’s Commentaries, vol. 12 Nd. Reprint. Wilmington, Delaware: Associated Publishers and Authors, Nd.
  • Candlish, James S. The Epistle of Paul to the Ephesians. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1901.
  • Thompson, G. H. P. The Letters of Paul to the Ephesians to the Colossians and to Philemon. The Cambridge Bible Commentary. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1967.
  • Delitzsch, Franz. Biblical Commentary on the Psalms, vol. 2. Translated from the German 2nd edition by Francis Bolton. Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament by C. F. Keil and F. Delitzsch. Nd. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1959.
  • Brown, Colin, ed. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology. Translated, with additions and revisions, from Theologisches Begriffslexikon zum Neuen Testament, edited by Lothar Coenen, Erich Beyreuther, and Hans Bietenhard. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1975.
  • Wood, A. Skevington. “Ephesians”. In vol. 11 of The Expositor’s Bible Commentary, edited by Frank E. Gabelein. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1978.
  • Salmond, S. D. F. “The Epistle to the Ephesians,” In vol. 3 of The Expositor’s Greek Testament, edited by W. Robertson Nicoll. Nd. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1970.
  • Field, Frederick. Notes on the Translation of the New Testament. Cambridge: University Press, 1899.
  • Hodge, Charles. A Commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians. 1856. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1950.
  • Bromiley, Geoffrey W., ed. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. 4 vols. Fully revised. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1979.
  • Kidner, Derek. Psalms 1–72. An Introduction and Commentary on Books 1 and 2 of the Psalms. The Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries. Downers Grove, Ill.: Inter-Varsity, 1973.
  • Leupold, H. C. Exposition of the Psalms. Columbus, Ohio: Wartburg, 1959.
  • Lightfoot, J. B. Notes on the Epistles of St. Paul. 1895. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1957.
  • Maclaren, Alexander. “The Psalms”. In vol. 3 of The Expositor’s Bible, edited by W. Robertson Nicoll. 1903. Reprint. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker, 1982.
  • Spurgeon, C. H. The Treasury of David. 6 vols. Nd. Reprint. London and Edinburgh: Marshall, Morgan and Scott, 1950.
  • Stott, John R. W. God’s New Society: The Message of Ephesians. Downers Grove, Ill.: Inter-Varsity, 1979.
  • Foulkes, Francis. The Epistle of Paul to the Ephesians. The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans, 1956.

Jannie van Niekerk:
I'll take a look at this issue first thing on Monday.

On a much more important note, is Logos ever going to re-release BAGD? You could make a lot of money from it, as so many resources link to it, it's worth having as a reference, even though it's been replaced.

Peace to all!              *smile*                                                       Responding to an old, old, old post ...             

                         A repeat request to Logos ...               please!         please!             please!

                             I have an extensive library -- quite up-to-date et.cetera.....           However, so many of my resources have a BAGD tag that certainly does NOT plug me into my BDAG ....

                                                I agree with Mark    .............                     Please re-release BAGD?              a win-win situation until all your tagging is brought up to date....

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 28 2013 11:42 PM

Yes

I agree.  I was just using Exegetical Summaries the other day wondering if there was any news on this.  Even if I have to buy an upgrade, having this resource appropriately tagged would make it a killer resource and well worth it.

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 12:54 AM

Yes

This deserves another bump. Some of the newer Exegetical Summaries were released from Pre-Pub earlier this year, and I was extremely disappointed that they were tagged just as badly as the other books in the series.

This is one of my most commonly-used resources in Logos, and it's a shame that they haven't been tagged properly.

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 6:44 AM

I think I may be the exception, but I don't care if all the links get updated.  The general information is there and one ought to be able to navigate from the title page of a resource to the desired page that contains the information one seeks.

I love having my library in a digital format, but I have noticed that while it is convenient at the same time it makes one lazy.  If it takes more than one or two clicks to do something we feel like we are being cheated.

I remind myself every day, what a blessing it is to have the resources that Logos offers. It does save me time and effort from having to go and pull books off the ole library shelves. 

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 6:51 AM

Thanks for your post, Kenneth!             *smile*

                     Having very carefully thought through what you said, I must conclude that you are "absolutely correct"!!!

Where does "luxury" end and meeting real need with proper assistance begin?                          So easy to get spoiled, eh???                        *smile*

                                                                                                                                                                Psalm 29:11

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 29 2013 10:30 AM

Kenneth Neighoff:

I think I may be the exception, but I don't care if all the links get updated.  The general information is there and one ought to be able to navigate from the title page of a resource to the desired page that contains the information one seeks.

Yes, but for some of us Logos Bible Software is a large expense. We pay this amount because we expect it to work as promised. The product description says "All references to commentaries and lexicons are linked to the titles in your digital library, and Scripture references are linked to Greek and Hebrew texts and English translations," and I think that Logos ought to honor their pledge to the best of their ability.

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