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Susan Clarke | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 6 2012 5:05 AM

After updating yesterday, I was surprised to find that you changed the font.  I much preferred the older font and wish that you had left an option to keep the other.  It is harder for me to read now and I may choose a different electronic bible as my study bible.  Why change a good thhing?  

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Thomas Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2012 1:33 PM

I'm sorry you do not like the decision to change the English font. What about it is more difficult to read? 

 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2012 1:37 PM

I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.

Tommy Ball:
What about it is more difficult to read? 

That's pretty hard to quantify.  One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.

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Thomas Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2012 3:02 PM

Todd Phillips:

I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.

Tommy Ball:
What about it is more difficult to read? 

That's pretty hard to quantify.  One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.

I was wondering if she (or you)  could think of an adjective that could be used to describe the problem. Is it blurry, or too small, etc. 

 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2012 3:16 PM

Tommy Ball:

Todd Phillips:

I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.

Tommy Ball:
What about it is more difficult to read? 

That's pretty hard to quantify.  One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.

I was wondering if she (or you)  could think of an adjective that could be used to describe the problem. Is it blurry, or too small, etc. 

Nothing like that.  It's the shape of the letters. The characters in the new font are taller and narrower with more vertical lines.  It can be a personal thing as some people in the iOS beta forums have expressed that they thought the new font was more readable, while others were saying that they would like the the old font back.  Hopefully Susan will express her thoughts, too.

All I'm asking for is a choice. The desktop application kept the old font in L5 when the new one was added.  Hopefully the iOS app can too.

 

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 9:55 AM
I think Todd has it when he says taller and narrower. I find my eye does not flow across it as easily as the old one. In typography parlance, the new font is very ledgible but not very readable (for hours at a time). If it is possible, a choice would be ideal. I expect some people (not me) would like a sans serif font.
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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 9:58 AM
Typographers, of course, always check their spelling. Legible is the word, but on my iPad I couldn't edit my previous post.
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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 11:01 AM

Jonathan Pitts:
on my iPad I couldn't edit my previous post.

OFF TOPIC: Jonathan – you can edit posts, but it is a bit tricky. When you need to edit something, try the following:

  1. Dismiss the keyboard.
  2. Place the cursor as close to the edit point as possible
  3. Delete the text and retype

For some reason, the ability to edit is lost until you follow these steps. Anytime you need to move the cursor, this will be required.

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 11:20 AM

I couldn't even get the More menu to come up in order to choose edit. 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 11:28 AM

Jonathan Pitts:

I couldn't even get the More menu to come up in order to choose edit. 

It wasn't working for me the last time I tried on the iPad, either.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 11:53 AM

Jonathan Pitts:
I couldn't even get the More menu to come up in order to choose edit. 

Ahh. I understand now. I was describing how to edit a post BEFORE it was submitted. Smile

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 8 2012 7:46 PM

Todd Phillips:

Tommy Ball:

Todd Phillips:

I'd prefer an option to use the old font too.

Tommy Ball:
What about it is more difficult to read? 

That's pretty hard to quantify.  One just knows which fonts are more comfortable.

I was wondering if she (or you)  could think of an adjective that could be used to describe the problem. Is it blurry, or too small, etc. 

Nothing like that.  It's the shape of the letters. The characters in the new font are taller and narrower with more vertical lines.  It can be a personal thing as some people in the iOS beta forums have expressed that they thought the new font was more readable, while others were saying that they would like the the old font back.  Hopefully Susan will express her thoughts, too.

All I'm asking for is a choice. The desktop application kept the old font in L5 when the new one was added.  Hopefully the iOS app can too.

Hi Todd,

Obviously font choice is very subjective which is why there are so many thousands available (well, not in Logos on iOS!).  I've expressed my fair share of complaints about the new font but I admittedly like very dense text formats like the Cambridge Pitt Minion style (my favorite Bible in NASB).  The new font isn't like that compared to the old, but I've gotten used to it more.  The new font looks amazing on Windows Logos but less so on Mac - always room for improvement.

I have talked repeatedly about font topics with the development department and at some point the previous font choice might be added.  It's an odd position to be in - if the new font were the "old" font and we switched to the other, there would also be complaints.  As always, your opinion is valued and thanks for letting us know.

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2012 2:56 PM

Tommy Ball:

I'm sorry you do not like the decision to change the English font. What about it is more difficult to read? 

The Logos5 font looks like every character is bold. The width of every stroke is the same. There is not a big enough difference between regular and italic. The space between lines is too great. Overall, it has a less professional look to it for all of the above reasons.

It is different from most fonts you would find in a book or magazine or newspaper—things you normally read that require some amount of time. It's the kind of font you would use for a sign, not for reading.

 

Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all. I switched fonts immediately.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2012 4:46 PM

Dan:
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all.

I believe it's the same font.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2012 6:17 PM

Todd Phillips:

Dan:
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all.

I believe it's the same font.

You mean the new iPad typeface is the same as the new L5 one… right?

 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2012 8:26 PM

alabama24:

Todd Phillips:

Dan:
Oops, I'm talking about the font in Logos5, not the iPad. I don't like the new Logos5 font at all.

I believe it's the same font.

You mean the new iPad typeface is the same as the new L5 one… right?

Yes.  That is my meaning--meaning that is what I mean.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 12 2012 8:41 PM

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Kevin Byford (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 9:45 AM

Dan:
The space between lines is too great.

Hi Dan,

On Logos 5, you can change the spacing between lines in Program Settings under the Text Display section.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:00 AM

Just to give opinion from the opposite side. I like the new font on both Logos 5 PC and iPad. Every time I open the Bible, I have to appreciate the good choice of the font. And yes, I use it for longer reading. But I understand I might be an exception to the rule.

Bohuslav

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Chris Rosebrough | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:43 AM

The font that has been decided for us is not easy to read at all.  I prefer a simple times font and this new font, which I have no choice but to suffer with, is a complete distraction.  Please give me my old font back.  I don't like software developers making these decisions for me.!

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