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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2009 6:47 AM

Is there a way to make a note on a bible verse and have the name of the note file be the address of that verse?  For example, if I want to make a note about john 3:16 I would expect the note file name to be "john 3:16" not "unfiled notes"  I know I can change it each time, but that is a bore...

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 6:55 AM

Sure you can change it but I don't think you understand notes.  <smile>

I suggest you name the file "verse notes" instead of John 3:16.  A note file is what contains all your separate notes.  As an example see the note file here which I've named Verse notes and into which I've pasted some examples.

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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 7:45 AM

Yes, I understand this workaround, but it seems to me that most bible studies/sermons are based on verses/passages.  Therefore, If I am preaching on John 3:16 I would like to look back at all the notes I have collected regarding john 3:16.  I don't want to open up "verse notes" and parse out everything that is not John 3:16

I currently use OneNote for note taking.  There I have a notebook for every book of the bible and sections for each chapter of every book.  When I get an idea, commentary, etc. for a verse I create a page within the John 3 section called john 3:16 and add the information.  Later I can go and add more information to the john 3:16 page.

I had hoped that Logos 4 notes would be more "verse" centered.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 8:00 AM

Logos has been pretty clear that the notes feature is designed for annotating resources. I considering it to be like marking in the margins of a book. OneNote works great (I use it too). Personally, I'd rather have the software designers focus on building specialize Bible study features than duplicating the work that has been done very well by others.

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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 8:08 AM

I thought the bible was a resource...no? 

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 8:14 AM

Yes it is, I have a note file entitled "ESV notes" I use it to make isolated comments on verses, observations, links to cross references that aren't baked into the Bible. If I wanted to do a detailed study on a particular verse I would go to OneNote or start a Word file so I could have the power of a word processor to organize my thoughts, observations, and notes from my resources.

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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 8:53 AM

Hey Kevin,

Thanks for your help.  Sometimes I just think Logos has a knack for making easy things difficult. 

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Chris Roberts | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 9:17 AM

Peter,

I'm not sure how you are working with your notes, but there are some simple ways to tie your notes to the text. Like Kevin, I have a Notes file called ESV Notes where I store various verse notes. When working, keep your Note file open. To create a note I highlight the text I want to comment on, right click, and at the bottom select Add a note to "ESV Notes":

When you add a note this way, the note header becomes a link back to the verse. The verse itself will include a link to the note. So if you are browsing Scripture, you will know which verses/sections have notes because they will be highlighted with a link back to your note. If you hover over the link it will show your note in a popup.

In my opinion, this is a *much* simpler solution than forming extensive divisions in OneNote, though as Kevin noted, using OneNote would be ideal when doing more intensive work.

I don't use the Logos notes much, though I'm trying to adapt to using them more and more. Most of my work is for sermon prep and I store my notes in a file created for each sermon/text preached.

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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 10:24 AM

Hey Chris,

Thanks for your input, but once again the more notes I have for a specific verse, the more "little yellow squares" I have to represent those notes.  Wouldn't it be better if Logos just saved all notes for a verse in a single verse note file, and just gave us one "little yellow square"?

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 11:01 AM

PeterCellini:
Thanks for your input, but once again the more notes I have for a specific verse, the more "little yellow squares" I have to represent those notes.  Wouldn't it be better if Logos just saved all notes for a verse in a single verse note file, and just gave us one "little yellow square"?

Maybe I'm not understanding this very well but why not simply add more notes to each verse entry?  I keep a Note file called "Bible" for various verse notes (I haven't started seriously bringing over any L3 notes in to L4 yet since they are currently working on an Import utility).  For each verse/file, couldn't you put a marker of some sort to delimit between notes like this:

   (click on graphic to enlarge for readability)

You would be collecting all of your notes for any particular verse and they would be subsumed under a single, yellow box.  And if you were clever and devised some sort of an unique-but-intuitive header/title for each note, they could be readily searchable like this:

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 12:17 PM

PeterCellini:
the more notes I have for a specific verse, the more "little yellow squares" I have to represent those notes.

The way I do my work, more little squares makes sense: I use one note file for items of interest only to myself, another note file for items that may occur as notes in Bible studies I develop, another note file for questions that may appear in Bible studies I develop ... the squares for the different files are different colors. My biggest problem is my personal dislike of verses for anything other than telling someone else where to look in the Bible. I'm a renegade who likes those little things known as "sentences" or "complete thoughts". I'm also keen on not linking to a particular translation. But I think I am close to outwitting Logos and getting what I want.Big Smile

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 12:44 PM

PeterCellini:

Hey Kevin,

Thanks for your help.  Sometimes I just think Logos has a knack for making easy things difficult. 

I have extensive notes in L3 which I intend to transfer to L4 once the notes are sufficiently improved.  At the moment linking to resource within a note involves a work-around of creating a link in Word and copying it into the file.  Since my notes are extensive, I don't intend to go through all of the bother.  I'm sure that improvement will come (including the ability to import the notes from L3). 

I did attempt to copy some of my notes from L3 to L4.  I have my notes set up with a note file for each chapter which I'm working on intensively.  I find that in RevCom1 (Commentary on Revelation 1), if I highlight a verse number and add a note, it does add the book, chapter and verse number to the note heading automatically.

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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 12:44 PM

Thanks JRS,

Once I'm in a note file I can format anyway I want.  The idea however is that as you come across nifty thoughts in your studies you just want to add it to the verse in question.  I don't want to go into the verse file, move things around, etc. 

Example: Let's say I doing morning devotions.  In a devotional resource I come across a wonderful thought about the saviour.  The thought is a comment related to john 3:16.  I want to highlight the sentence (devotional thought) right-click and expect to see "Add note to john 3:16"   Then in 5 years,  if I decide to write a commentary on john chapter 3, I might have possibly hundreds of similar notes on John 3:16.  In the meant time I don't want hundreds of "little yellow squares" everytime I come to a resource that mentions john 3:16.

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Chuck P. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 12:51 PM

This is exactly why I save all my notes in a Word folder, then using Word I name the file JOHN 3 16 and make my notes there for future possible use...I put the link to my Word on top of Logos also.   Then I constantly backup my word processing folders to an external drive.

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Peter Cellini | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 5:50 AM

I agree with all of you that Logos is not meant to replace word processors, publising engines or even OneNote.  However I do think Logos should provide a means of collecting data related to bible verses without multi-click, "little yellow square" laden work arounds.  This collected data could then be sent to my formatting engine. Oh well, back to OneNote....

P.S. I am a fan of Logos, but as I said before, they have a knack of making easy things difficult.

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Halo Hound | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:02 AM

You can attach notes to Guides, which gives you a place to put notes that are organized according to reference. If you have notes/a guide at a given location you will see them in the "my content" section of the Explorer window. plus these notes will follow you as you move around the Bible so that you do not have to navigate to where the notes are. They are simply one click away.

I would recommend making a template called "Notes Template" Then use this template to record your notes and it will appear like this in the my  content section.

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David N. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 31 2011 10:28 AM

2011/01/31

Hi Philip,

First I'd like to say that I know I'm adding a post to a thread that hasn't been written to for a while, but I always try to be conscious of not starting a new thread if one on my particular question exists already.  In my way of thinking, this is the whole purpose of doing a search on the Forums before you post a new thread - but I suppose I could have that wrong. Embarrassed

Thank you for your post here, Philip.

Philip Spitzer:

You can attach notes to Guides, which gives you a place to put notes that are organized according to reference. If you have notes/a guide at a given location you will see them in the "my content" section of the Explorer window. plus these notes will follow you as you move around the Bible so that you do not have to navigate to where the notes are. They are simply one click away.

I would recommend making a template called "Notes Template" Then use this template to record your notes and it will appear like this in the my  content section.

I have been reading in the Logos Forum about "Notes" because what I would like to do is fold all of my individual notes into one Resource which would act like my own personal Commentary that I've written.

I've read about purchasing OneNote and I'm confused by people taking something from Logos and pasting it into a Word document and then somehow going back to Logos from the Word document????

This post by Philip sounds to me like the closest approximation to what I want to do, because then when I come to say Chapter 3 of John, my notes on John 3 would appear under "My Content" - sort of like a Commentary!

That seems perfect to me!

So am I making a "Template" or a "Guide" to accomplish this?

Also, if I were to set up the template or the guide and put notes in it from Genesis to Revelation, if I were reading in John chapter 3 and I had notes on several verses in John chapter 3 - would only those notes on John 3 show up under "My Content"?

And then if I were reading Genesis chapter 1 and I looked at "My Content" in the Passage Guide, would I only see my notes on Genesis 1?  If so, this does sound like exactly what I want to accomplish!

I will have to look into how to make a Template / Guide now.  I purchased the Logos 4 Training Manual 1 & 2 from Morris Proctor Seminars.  I can see that I am going to have to have those manuals handy as I read through the Logos Forums and as I have my Logos 4 library open!

I could never figure out "KeyLinks" in Libronix 3 (and I even had the Libronix 3 Training Manuals) for example, but I hope to have more success with using and appreciating Logos 4.

Thanks, David

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 31 2011 2:20 PM

David N.:
I will have to look into how to make a Template / Guide now. 

See the wiki - in its TOC you will find an entry for customising Guides.

David N.:
And then if I were reading Genesis chapter 1 and I looked at "My Content" in the Passage Guide, would I only see my notes on Genesis 1?

Try it and see!

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