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Jeremy | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2009 4:01 PM

So how did everyone get introduced to Logos? What do you think could be done to get it into the hands of more people? Are you a pastor, teacher, or everyday person who uses Logos to study the Bible better?

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 4:10 PM

JeremyEllis:

So how did everyone get introduced to Logos? What do you think could be done to get it into the hands of more people? Are you a pastor, teacher, or everyday person who uses Logos to study the Bible better?

I first learned of Logos in the mission field (Dominican Republic). I'd tried a couple of Bible programs and was fairly unimpressed. They were little more than fancy concordances. I had a concordance. I didn't need a concordance.

A friend let me borrow [clears throat] his 3.5" floppy disks to give Logos a test drive. I did and bought it the first chance I got. This was more than a Bible search program even then (about 1.2 or 1.3, I think). And when I found out I could get the Reina Valera (Spanish Bible), I was sold.

EDIT: Let me add that I'm a pastor-teacher, and everyday person (well at least I'm a person every day).

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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David Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 4:32 PM

JeremyEllis:

So how did everyone get introduced to Logos? What do you think could be done to get it into the hands of more people? Are you a pastor, teacher, or everyday person who uses Logos to study the Bible better?

I am a pastor, and have really gotten my money's worth out of Logos. I had tried several different brands of Bible software (wasted a lot of money), only to find out that none of them could do what I wanted them to do. I finally began to research Bible software online, and settled on Logos and Bible Works (I use Logos much more). Both of them were good investments that I should have made years earlier, I would have saved a lot of money.

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Graceman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 5:19 PM

JeremyEllis:

So how did everyone get introduced to Logos? What do you think could be done to get it into the hands of more people? Are you a pastor, teacher, or everyday person who uses Logos to study the Bible better?

I was introduced to the software by a user (Dwayne Davis, I believe), who sold me a Logos commentary on ebay. He graciously included a starter package in the ebible format so that I could have somewhere to start. From there, I have gone on to buy more and more upgrades so that today I have Logos 4 Platinum. I love the program and have forgotten all the other bible software on my hard drive.

I am an associate pastor who has a bible college education and a BS in biology. Normal?? depends on whom you ask!!

Word of mouth is the best way to spread the news, other than that having an inexpensive starter package say for $5.00 each so that the program could be given away to prospective users would be nice. The program sells itself.

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Pastor Chris McFarland

 

 

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 6:00 PM

JeremyEllis:

So how did everyone get introduced to Logos? What do you think could be done to get it into the hands of more people? Are you a pastor, teacher, or everyday person who uses Logos to study the Bible better?

I'm a layperson who is a trained scientist (PhD in sports medicine, board-certified clinical exercise specialist) and happen to teach adult SS (Southern Baptist).

I've know about Logos for a number of years, but never bought it (too much $$).  I've used a couple of the cheap packages one can buy, but mostly, I just used an old NKJV MacArthur SB CD I got free with a bible in the 90s, and cut-and-pasted text from it and worked up my SS lessons the old fashioned way.  In the past few years a couple things happened to change my view of the need for Logos-type software.  First, I've started using some Greek and some more in-depth resources for SS lesson prep (I got tired of the fluff they call SS material in the SBC).  I took classical Greek as an undergrad, so I can use the Greek in a very rudimentary way.  I also work with a half-dozen seminary-trained theologians with whom I have great discussion at times about the scholarly part of theology, and that has influenced my view of the need for scholarly software.  Second, in the past couple years, I've discovered the doctrines of grace.  In the process, I've learned of the great volume of valuable Christian material written in the past four hundred years, and wanted a way to tie it into my SS lesson prep at appropriate points.  My denomination is so experiential in its emphasis, at the expense of the rich history and theology of the church as a whole, and as such, much of the fundamentals of the doctrines of grace are very deep theological ideas to many of the adults in my SS class. 

I decided to buy Logos a couple months back, and purchased the L3 Gold edition.  Because of my academic status(I'm a college dean now), I was able to get a bit of a price break.  Not as much as a seminary student, I think, but a very nice discount by any measure.  Logos is immensely helpful in doing the research I do for my class.  Switching to L4 hasn't been simple for me (you'll notice most of my posts are questions, not answers), but I love the software anyway and I'm very grateful to the Logos folks for making this available and I'm glad they can make a good living doing this kind of thing.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 7:13 PM

I first became aware of Logos via the local Christian bookshop.
I'm not convinced it's a good move that Logos is pulling out of bookshops.

Re your 2nd question, I'm a lecturer in a Christian College, and wanted something better than the 2 previous products I'd purchased over the years. Logos far surpassed my expectations: I wish I'd bought it years ago. But I probably wouldn't have it now if it had not been in the bookshops.

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 7:22 PM

I am a layperson, who had questions about my faith, in terms of "why do we believe, what we believe".

I looked for Lutheran resources and found one through Concordia Publishing.  It referred to "Libronix", which I had to research.  Found you guys and discovered that I could pump lots more money into more books, than I ever could, a sailboat (grin).

Been happy with the Lutheran resources available and how they nicely integrate with what is available through you directly.  So I have a lot of yours, a lot of Concordia's and I want more synchronization (and including those published works in L4 (they are) and my iPhone (they are not; not yet).

Do you have any deals you offer to churches, on behalf of their members, to "get them started"???

That is the only idea I have.

 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 7:29 PM

My first Bible study software, that precipitated my first computer purchase, was CDWord Library from Dallas Theological Seminary (I still have the original CD BTW). It was more like Logos is now than Logos was back then (I think). It ran on a runtime version of Windows 2.0 and used a then pretty new CDROM to deliver its contents. Logos bought CDWord library and i became a Logos user with an upgrade to Logos 1.6 (I believe). It was the launch of Series X that really fully brought me into the fold.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 27 2009 11:07 PM

JeremyEllis:
So how did everyone get introduced to Logos?

I think years ago I somehow stumbled through an internet search the website "Automating X" . It was a website dedicated to using Logos Series X at the time.  Anyone else remember it?

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Onell McCarthy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 1:25 AM

When I was attending one of my on campus class at Trinity in Indianam they offered a theological journal that uses libronix as the medium and from then on i have been expanding I am now a platinum

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Steve Shelton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 2:19 AM

I started out using QuickVerse when I got my first IBM Compatible.  I was grateful for QuickVerse at the time because it allowed me to bring verses over into my word processor. I found out about Logos through Christian Computing Magazine.  I bought a basic package at the time and gradually begin buying the individual books. I have Scholar's Platinum 4 now.

I appreciate Logos because it places at my fingertips the tools that I need to prepare my sermons.  I can also take my library anywhere I go on my laptop.

Anonymous | | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 2:39 AM

A couple of books I bought for college came with Libronix CDs which gave me my first introduction to the software. Hayes & Holladay's 3rd ed. gave me introduced me to the company by name.

Strangely enough, none of my lecturers had heard of Logos until I questioned them about the best choice of software to aid my studies. Since they're all mac users they were quick to point me to the "A" program. Little assistance for a win user like me. They were not even aware that Logos existed for Mac. Fellow students were no more the wiser having bought whatever they use from their local Christian bookshop.

Hopefully, once I've decided upon a package I can pass the word along. However, since most of my fellow Aussies prefer the local bookshop to the web, it may prove to be an uphill struggle.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 5:59 AM

I am a layman, I'd never used bible software before and never even heard of such a thing...

I had a bible, Strongs HUGE concordance, and a Hally's bible handbook...

If you've ever studied with all that stuff scattered all over the kitchen table....you know how long it takes to get information...

One day a guy offered me a priated copy of Bibleworks; I had no idea what it was or what it did....but I installed the "bootleg" copy....

About 15 minutes after install...my conscience got the better of me and I uninstalled and threw it in the trash...

But that started a thought process (both about my soul and what stealing is) and about bible software....

I looked into buying either Bibleworks or Logos...they seemed to be the two top dogs....and Logos seemed more user friendly by far....

And so one call to Dave Kaplan...and here I am.... Big Smile

Robert Pavich

For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

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josh s blake | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:48 AM

I am a pastor of a tiny church and Logos helps me afford resources I otherwise would never be able to own.  I just started looking at Bible software online and, honestly was (and might still be) drawn to Accordance, but no to the price of a mac, especially since I already own a pc.  I love Logos and am excited for 4 to flesh out and be every bit as useful as 3.  Thanks, guys.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:54 AM

I've been using Bible software since the 80's. I started, with Logos,  when there was the promotion of the free "electronic" version of the ESV bible that came with the eBible sampler edition. Awhile latter Nelson sent me an offer for one of their "Everything But the Kitchen Sink" packages, and I couldn't refuse. So now with a ton of resources, I was using Libronix more, and I wanted to add the NIV with the "Boxed only" addins, so I bought the Bible Study Library.

After this I just purchased books as I wanted them, and being the frugal steward that I am, bought a lot of 3rd party, Libronix format titles that I would find on discount. Then as the "fates" would have it I stumbled across an old unopened version of The Scholar's Library (QA, I think). Upgraded that to NA, and now have Silver, thanks in no small part to the tremendous upgrade discount that came with 4.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:31 AM

JeremyEllis:

So how did everyone get introduced to Logos? What do you think could be done to get it into the hands of more people? Are you a pastor, teacher, or everyday person who uses Logos to study the Bible better?

I was an old DOS man and I clung to DOS as though my very life depended on it.  Finally since I was beginning my work on Revelation I walked into a local Christian bookstore and looked around but didn't see much of anything of interest (and it was a good-sized store).  I did see a kiosk with bible software but didn't see much of interest there either so I talked to the manager.  She recommended that I contact Logos since my interests were more academic than the material they carried.  I contacted Logos and bought my first Windows machine (Windows 95).  The last time (and probably only time) I calculated I had purchased more than $5000.00 since 2003 (I stopped at $5000.00 since I was getting depressed).  I might note that 2003 is the earliest records they have on the computer.  I called customer service the other day to see if they could provide proof of purchase for the Unitype Global Writer I had purchased years ago and found that the current records only go back to 2003 (as on the records online in My Account).  For the earlier records they needed to contact accounting.  I hope they're able to find it since I can get the upgrade for ½ price if I can prove that I own a previous version. 

BTW:  I still miss DOS.  I like the command line.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:55 AM

I first started using Libronix as a missionary.  I did a lot of research on the best Bible program for me and tried out many.  When I learned that I could get journals via Galaxie on the Libronix system, I bought it and was hooked.  Libronix has been a huge help to me on the mission field.  I am a Gospel preacher, Bible teacher and did church planting in Poland.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 8:07 AM

MarkSwaim:
I am a Gospel preacher, Bible teacher and did church planting in Poland.

I might be called a "church planter" as well -- as in dig a hole, throw it in and cover it up.  The problem is that churches don't seem to grow very well that way.  It's certainly not like the corn fields all around me where I grew up.  Wink

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Mitch Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 8:43 AM

I first began preaching (after being a school teacher) in 1992. I purchased my first pc (386 processor...no floppie needed to bootup the shiny Win 3.0). About this time I was in a bookstore that had Quickverse 2.0. I recently had done a word study that took 8 hours and the same study in Quickverse took MUCH less time.... I was hooked up Bible Software. In 1993 I was at a home of a fellow gospel preacher who had Logos 1.6 and I drooled at what it could do, but my workflow with Quickverse and price wouldn't allow me to switch. Then in 1998 my wife got tired (my words, not hers) purchased Logos 2.0 "Level 4" for Valentine's (what a sweetheart!)...I nearly had a "heart" attack (Stick out tongue). To ensure my delight in Logos I also decided to research and do Bible Software Reviews back in the late 90s and early part of this decade....and kept coming back to Logos until they upgraded to "Libronix" (was that 2.1? or 3.0?). Took a year or so off from "Libronix" until they got things right (when a future release optimized speed) and haven't looked back since.

I have 1) been a Logos reseller in the past and 2) use word of mouth soooooo much that people ask if I work for Logos (my wife has suggested that I put in an application because she says I am a defacto employee). BTW - I just showed Logos 4 to three more people this week (2 Bible college students - one of which uses "A" - and another fellow gospel preacher).

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 12:20 PM

Doc B:
(I got tired of the fluff they call SS material in the SBC)

I totally agree with that sentiment.Yes Sometimes, I don't think it is advanced enough to be called fluff. I would rather do independent study, prepare a handout and teach from the Bible.

As to the original question. I don't remember when and where I first heard about Logos or even when I made my first purchase. I do know that I started using Logos on a Mac under Virtual PC before Microsoft purchased the company and destroyed the product.

Today, I want to look ahead to the day Logos 4 is full-featured and native on the Mac OS. After all these years of waiting, I believe it is drawing near. It may arrive before the Lord Jesus returns. If not, I don't think the delay will seem important any longer Geeked

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