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Tim Murray | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2012 5:31 AM

These are abbreviations for books that are not in my Logos Library but where do I find what they are?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 5:45 AM

Hi TIm

Tim Murray:

These are abbreviations for books that are not in my Logos Library but where do I find what they are?

  • IVPBBCOT - IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament
  • DBI - DIctionary of Bible Imagery (probably

 

But as to find this out without having them in your library, that's a different question!

Where did you find the abbreviations? If one another Logos resource I would have expected the abbreviations to be expanded in that resource

Graham 

 

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Tim Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 5:56 AM

Graham, they are referenced in the Faithlife Study Bible notes.  I have Logos 5 Platinum and most of the documents referenced in Faithlife are not in my Logos library.

How did you find the abbreviations?  Or did you just know/guess?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 6:13 AM

Tim Murray:
How did you find the abbreviations?  Or did you just know/guess?

They have been referenced by these abbreviations in different threads in the forums. I also have both which made things slightly easier.

Tim Murray:
they are referenced in the Faithlife Study Bible notes.  I have Logos 5 Platinum and most of the documents referenced in Faithlife are not in my Logos library.

That should provide a mechanism for you to determine them.

If you click on the link just before the abbreviation this is intended to open the resource. If you don't have the resource then you will get a message telling you this and a preview of the resource will open including the title page which will tell you what the book is. (This is a new feature in L5)

So, in the example below, I clicked on the like to AYBD in "Virtue/Vice Lists" in the right-hand panel. I don't have AYBD and the preview of the resource opened up on the left

Hope this helps

Graham

 

 

 

 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 6:19 AM

Tim Murray:
 I have Logos 5 Platinum

Then this is the most easy thing, since Logos introduced a "sneak preview" of non-owned resources into L5.

If you try to access the locked resource (in my screenshot the BEB, see blue marks), the usual window "you don't have a licence to view this resource" appears, which typically - under L4 for Windows, but not for Mac - shows a more meaningful abbreviated Logos resource name and allows a click to the product page on Logos.com (worked most often). Under L5, Logos opens a preview version of the resource (yellow)

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Tim Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 6:40 AM

Perfect.  I didn't even think to look at it in Logos, I was just on the Faithlife app on my iPad.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 6:59 AM

Tim Murray:

Perfect.  I didn't even think to look at it in Logos,

Glad it gives you what you want

Tim Murray:
I was just on the Faithlife app on my iPad.

In that case, at the end of the FSB notes there is an Abbreviations section with expansions of abbreviations used.

However, they don't list the two you referred to - DBI and IVPBBCOT. They don't have IVPBBCNT either.

Hopefully, if someone from Logos sees this thread they can update the Abbreviations section.

Graham 

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Tim Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2012 7:25 AM

Thanks Graham.  Smile

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 7:51 AM

Tim Murray:

Graham, they are referenced in the Faithlife Study Bible notes.  I have Logos 5 Platinum and most of the documents referenced in Faithlife are not in my Logos library.

This is a shortcoming of the FSB in my opinion.  Lot's of resources are referenced that MOST FSB users do not own (assumption).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 8:10 AM

David Taylor Jr:

Tim Murray:

Graham, they are referenced in the Faithlife Study Bible notes.  I have Logos 5 Platinum and most of the documents referenced in Faithlife are not in my Logos library.

 

This is a shortcoming of the FSB in my opinion.  Lot's of resources are referenced that MOST FSB users do not own (assumption).

I guess another way of looking at it is that a combination of the FSB study notes and the free Lexham Bible Dictionary then a lot of information is provided. Yes, for more in depth information there are links to resources which many of the Logos-identified target market will not initially own.

But this does give them the option to buy specific resources which have been selected by Logos as providing useful information for the subject at hand. Also, in general, buying one resource will open up a lot of articles in one go. So buying ISBE, for example, would suddenly really broaden / deepen the number of unlocked articles.

Yes, it is a mechanism to increase Logos sales, but what else should they do to provide augmented information behind what is otherwise a free resource (at least at the moment)?

 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 8:55 AM

Graham Criddle:

David Taylor Jr:

Tim Murray:

Graham, they are referenced in the Faithlife Study Bible notes.  I have Logos 5 Platinum and most of the documents referenced in Faithlife are not in my Logos library.

 

This is a shortcoming of the FSB in my opinion.  Lot's of resources are referenced that MOST FSB users do not own (assumption).

I guess another way of looking at it is that a combination of the FSB study notes and the free Lexham Bible Dictionary then a lot of information is provided. Yes, for more in depth information there are links to resources which many of the Logos-identified target market will not initially own.

But this does give them the option to buy specific resources which have been selected by Logos as providing useful information for the subject at hand. Also, in general, buying one resource will open up a lot of articles in one go. So buying ISBE, for example, would suddenly really broaden / deepen the number of unlocked articles.

Yes, it is a mechanism to increase Logos sales, but what else should they do to provide augmented information behind what is otherwise a free resource (at least at the moment)?

 

Technically I paid for FSB with L5 Wink

Anyways,  I understand the philosophy but still see it as a shortcoming.  It would be one thing if it were one or two links here an there, but they are in abundance throughout the resource.  For those of us with base packages it isn't as bad because we have tons of other resources to go to.  However, for people who are getting into Faithlife because they don't have Logos (what FSB was originally intended for if I"m not mistaken) it must be a serious dissapointment to see they would need to spend hundreds of dollars just to read the referenced articles.

Does that make any sense?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 9:02 AM

David Taylor Jr:
Technically I paid for FSB with L5 Wink

True - but the question I think we are focusing on is that of FSB users without base packages. Sorry if I have missed the point.

David Taylor Jr:
Does that make any sense?

And, yes, what you says does make sense.

David Taylor Jr:
However, for people who are getting into Faithlife because they don't have Logos (what FSB was originally intended for if I"m not mistaken) it must be a serious dissapointment to see they would need to spend hundreds of dollars just to read the referenced articles.

But the thing is they don't actually need to read the referenced articles - they are pointers to resources for if they want to go deeper.

FSB has a multi-layer philopsophy.

  • There are the study tools within the app itself - such as infographics, maps, photos, search functionality, links to faithlife
  • There is the linked set of notes to provide basic information along with the Bible text - and a significant number of people don't get that far, let alone want to go further.
  • There is the Lexham Bible Dictionary with additional information on many points and references
  • Then there are the additional resources for people who want to go deeper. By the time people get here, they could well be getting to the point that they want to do more serious study and start using some of the wider Logos tools and access to these additional resources could be a good link

Not sure if this is actually Logos philosophy here but this is how it appears to me.

 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 10:07 AM

Those are fair points Graham. Yes

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