Timeframe for full implementation of Logos 4 Mac?

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Ron Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2009 5:17 PM

Are you saying, I should buy Windows 7 and use Parallels or Boot Camp and L4 will function ok?

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Ron Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 23 2009 5:19 PM

Are you saying I should buy Windows 7 and in Parallels or Boot Camp L4 will work fine?

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 3:43 AM

Ron Ross:

I have Windows XL (disc) but it refuses to install into Parallels (On my Macbook); I don't use Windows. What is L4 Windows?

Ron

Do you mean Windows XP? What problems are you having loading it into Parallels? Which version of Parallels?

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 3:49 AM

Ron Ross:

Are you saying I should buy Windows 7 and in Parallels or Boot Camp L4 will work fine?

I am using L4 Windows under Parallels and Windows XP. Several people on these forums have said that Windows 7 is faster, but I am getting satisfactory service from XP. If you do not presently own a copy of Windows, and want to run L4 on Windows, I would recommend Windows 7, as XP is a dead-end and Vista drove a lot of long-time Windows users to the Mac.

Feel free to ask all the questions you have.

OOPS. I did not really answer your question. I have never used Boot Camp, but I am now running Windows under Parallels 5 and getting very good performance from Logos 4. Parallels gives you the advantage of having both Operating Systems available at the same time.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 4:53 AM

JackCaviness:
Vista drove a lot of long-time Windows users to the Mac.

Vista drove me to Mac, which turned out to be a blessing in disguise! Cool

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David Hilty | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 4:53 AM

Ron Ross:

Are you saying I should buy Windows 7 and in Parallels or Boot Camp L4 will work fine?

Ron, I certainly wouldn't spend that much money to buy Windows just so you can run the full version of L4 a couple of months earlier than you'll be able to run it in OSX.  If you're like me you switched to Mac because you got tired of dealing with lousy MS software.  I'm not about to put a MS OS on my Mac. I would advise that you just be patient and let the Logos team finish L4 for Mac.

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 4:57 AM

me too; I abandoned the Windows ship because of Windows, so am really looking fwd to "feature parity" on Logos. 

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Stuart Guthrie | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 5:23 AM

I bought the Mac because it was better, I bought the Logos software 2000 dollar version for Mac and was never told about the Alpha version, thought that to be a little crazy, They sent me like four different versions of Logos, so I put it on my Mac and a PC. Lucky I had a PC or I would have been very disappointed. Great software though. IS PC Four running fully yet or they still working on things? thanks guys.

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 5:28 AM

Stuart Guthrie:
IS PC Four running fully yet or they still working on things?

Logos 4 Windows is working well. They are still adding features all the time and are just about to roll out 4.0a. To see what features to expect in the coming months, point your browser to: http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures

The Mac version is in Alpha. Sorry you didn't know what to expect. We have put together a small page on it here: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Mac Like you, we are more than a little anxious to see Logos 4 Mac to hit the beta and final release stages. When this will be done, remains yet to be seen... though it has made huge progress in the last seven weeks.  

Hang in there and if there is anything we can do to ease the L4 Mac pain, just let us know.

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Ron Ross | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 12:36 PM

Hey, I'm a dedicated Mac user. I certainly appreciate the response and input from everyone.

I'm also a bible teacher and can't wait to get into the excellent Logos library.

All the comments are much appreciated

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Gary Byrd | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:14 AM

At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24  month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.

I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.

 

 

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:35 AM

Gary Byrd:
I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.

 

Gary, what you may not be taking into consideration is that the Mac team is only working on the UI that interfaces the common code of L4. So, while they have no easy job, there is a large body of code that is already been implemented in L4Win, they are finding ways to interact with it on the Mac side. So, while I don't know how long it will really take, I would be willing to be that Bob's estimate is not that far off.

 

 

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:41 AM

Gary Byrd:

At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24  month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.

I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.

 

 

With the codes already in the program I think we are just waiting on features to be added. Also Bob (the CEO) said that it would be more like 6 months and although he did say don't hold him to it,  I do think thats our best chance and time frame! And thats my prayer! I can't wait! 

 

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David Hilty | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:52 AM

Jerry Walker:

Gary Byrd:

At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24  month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.

I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.

With the codes already in the program I think we are just waiting on features to be added. Also Bob (the CEO) said that it would be more like 6 months and although he did say don't hold him to it,  I do think thats our best chance and time frame! And thats my prayer! I can't wait! 

Yeah, I think Gary is assuming that they have to code every feature from scratch.  It's only the UI that needs to be finished.  Still not an easy task, but certainly doable in 6 months or so.

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Jerry Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:59 AM

David Hilty:
It's only the UI that needs to be finished.  Still not an easy task, but certainly doable in 6 months or so.

I totally agree and I think it would be a great  thing if it could be done in that time frame....

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 8:10 AM

Gary Byrd:

At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24  month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.

I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.

Hi Gary, just curious as to your basis for this conclusion.

How familiar are you with writing code and software development?  What is your background in this area?

Have you ever participated in an Alpha / Beta project like this before?  How long ago.

Thanks for the further insight.

 

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Gary Byrd | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 9:11 AM

I code for the Mac platform nearly everyday of my life for the last 8 years. I have experience in starting projects from scratch and following them though completion (if there is such a thing). I do create products for public consumption in the Mac community .... some of them you may be familiar with.

I code in Obj-C, Obj-j, Realbasic, .... not to mention javascript, html, & css.

I was not intending to slam Logos 4 for Mac ... I was just making an observation that it looks to me to have too many things not yet completed to have wrapped up in 6 months. An application the size of Logos 4 for Mac is no small feat.

As for participating in Alpha/Beta testing ... I regularly participate in many of them from both sides of the spectrum ... as the one testing the releases and the one providing the releases.

 

 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 9:27 AM

Thanks for sharing your experience.  All I can say is that I hope you are wrong and the 6 month estimate we have heard is right.

Again, thanks for your participation and God bless :-)

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Gary Byrd | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 9:29 AM

Well, I hope I am wrong too ... I will be happy to eat crow if a good beta is released by May ... ;)

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Tom Philpot (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 9:47 AM

Gary,

http://www.logos.com/jobs#mac. Feel free to come help us!

Blessings.

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