Visual Filter Frustration with Learn to Use Biblical Hebrew Videos

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 30 2012 2:49 PM

I have been closely following several threads on this topic but I want to take a different approach now. I know the visual filters that are explained in the "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software" use the Anderson Forbes Morphology and Logos 5 now uses Logos Hebrew Morphology. This means that all the old Hebrew filters that are explained in the video now no longer work. The recommendation given by other forum users was to make new filters using the Logos Hebrew Morphology. So I have been replaying my videos and trying to do just that but since the search categories don't match it has been a major exercize in frustration!

Now maybe I'm just not doing it right but I think I am. Here is an example of what I am trying to do. In the video it says to create a visual filter called "Other construct pairs". I chose "all passage" in the "ESV" using Logos Hebrew Morphology. (note that the AF doesn't work in L5). The video then explains to choose @, then Verb, then pure noun participle, then construct. But the problem is when I use the Logos Hebrew Morphology there is no option to choose "pure noun participle". As a result I don't know how to do this search and my guess is that anyone who is not really familiar with Hebrew will be in the same boat as I am.

I should say that I took Hebrew in seminary but have not kept it up to the same level as my Greek so that may be the problem too. But I think these videos are made with that sort of person in mind.

In summary I have one question and one suggestion.

Question: Is there some place that I can learn how to do the same searches done in the video using Logos 5?

Suggestion: Produce an update to the video showing how to do the searches in Logos 5.

I bought these videos when they first came out in 2010 and there are still for sale today. I guess I understand that any resource becomes dated but I was hoping this one would last more than 2 years. If there are no plans to update the video I believe that there needs to be a clear note to new purchasers like "some content in these videos is not compatible with Logos 5".

Thoughts?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 30 2012 2:57 PM

My guess is that no one anticipated this when Logos decided to change the morphology from AF to Logos Hebrew Morphology.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 30 2012 3:02 PM

Bruce Dunning:
If there are no plans to update the video I believe that there needs to be a clear note to new purchasers like "some content in these videos is not compatible with Logos 5".

This is a good idea.

If you own the Hebrew Bible: Anderson-Forbes Analysed Texts, you can still create the visual filters for that text using AF morphology — although if you don't have Hebrew, that won't help you much. But you could do a morphology search in AFAT, then show the ESV alongside. The new sympathetic highlighting in search results should (at least temporarily) give you the highlights that the visual filter used to give.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 30 2012 3:52 PM

Thanks for the suggestion Mark. I realize that I could do that but it is not the same. I'd prefer to see it in my ESV.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2012 4:18 PM

Bruce Dunning:
I'd prefer to see it in my ESV.

Logos 5 has sympathetic highlighting for Morph Search:

Bruce Dunning:
Suggestion: Produce an update to the video showing how to do the searches in Logos 5.

+1 Yes since Logos Hebrew Morphology is a bit different than Anderson-Forbes Hebrew Morphology.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2012 5:11 PM

This has been brought to Logos attention. Hopefully they will address the matter soon.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2012 5:54 PM

I bought the videos on prepub and have used them some.  However, as expensive as these videos are I want to be able to continue to use them.

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2012 8:27 PM

John Fidel:

This has been brought to Logos attention. Hopefully they will address the matter soon.

Great!!

 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 2 2012 11:12 PM

I wonder what Logos will do for people who already own the 2010 videos. Any chance of a free update?

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Bruce Dunning:

I wonder what Logos will do for people who already own the 2010 videos. Any chance of a free update?

I have been told that the videos are being updated to use the Logos Hebrew morph, but I don't know any more details beyond that, sorry.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2012 6:06 AM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
I have been told that the videos are being updated to use the Logos Hebrew morph, but I don't know any more details beyond that, sorry.

Since Logos is still actively selling this resource, we need some official declaration of intent.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2012 6:46 AM

Jack Caviness:

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
I have been told that the videos are being updated to use the Logos Hebrew morph, but I don't know any more details beyond that, sorry.

Since Logos is still actively selling this resource, we need some official declaration of intent.

Yes!!! Yes

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2012 10:58 AM

To make things worse it is even "featured" on the home page today.

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Rick Stomm | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 6:25 AM

It is exceedingly disappointing that this still has not been fixed!

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 10:56 AM

A revision of the videos is underway this year.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 11:24 AM

Bob Pritchett:

A revision of the videos is underway this year.

Thank you for the information.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 5:17 PM

Thanks for the insight Bob. Much appreciated!

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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 16 2014 8:53 PM

Bob Pritchett:

A revision of the videos is underway this year.

Awesome.  I don't suppose there is an ETA or a guestimate?  I am starting to work more through my Mobile Ed courses and want to use these as part of my curriculum for complete study.

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 15 2015 2:46 PM

Happy New year Bob!

It is now 2015- what is the status of this?

I too have the 1st revision (June 2010) that was done after my Pre-pub purchase.

Thank you.

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Anthony Keating | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 15 2015 3:01 PM

Dear Bob,

As has been asked, will we get a free update as we spent a lot of money on this resource?

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