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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2013 11:37 AM

Could someone please explain what happened to the footnotes in my books, and how to retrieve them? You used to be able to see them at the end of the page, but Logos took that feature out of the Program Settings. For instance, I have Baker Exegetical Commentary and when there is a footnote in the text, I can only hover over or click the number, but if I want to go to the footnote where it is located in the text, I can't: nor do I know where to  find them in the book, and you can't see them at the end of the page.

I also cannot export them the same way you would a bibliography. I have a paper due soon and I copied the text onto MS Word, but no footnotes came with it, yet the numbering of the footnotes in the text did.

Here is an example from an excursus from Baker Exegetical Commentary on John 7:53 - 8:11:

"As is widely recognized, the status of the pericope of the adulterous woman in 7:53–8:11 as an original part of John’s Gospel is highly in doubt. Virtually all translations (for good reasons, as will be seen) place the passage in square brackets, indicating probable noninclusion in the original Gospel.1 What follows here is a brief presentation of the internal and external evidence, whereby external considerations should be given primary weight."

Notice the footnot just after "Gospel" as a superscripted #1. You can hover over it, you can click it to lock the text to the screen, but that it all you can do with it. There is nowhere to click that takes you to these footnotes, and that is what I am trying to accomplish.  Thank you. And if Logos removed it to make it impossible to go to the footnotes, they need to put the footnotes back please.

Also, does anyone know why when you try to copy the book section and paste it into "Notes," why does it go into the title instead of the actual note area?

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 11:49 AM

Let me clarify as I think I did poorly. What I want to do is have the footnotes get exported to Word along with the text. So that when I read the text in Word, you have the text, then the footnotes at the bottom of the page just like any other book you would open and read.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 11:51 AM

Stephen Jones:
Notice the footnot just after "Gospel" as a superscripted #1. You can hover over it, you can click it to lock the text to the screen, but that it all you can do with it. There is nowhere to click that takes you to these footnotes, and that is what I am trying to accomplish.  Thank you. And if Logos removed it to make it impossible to go to the footnotes, they need to put the footnotes back please.

Peace to you, Steven.     *smile*

                   I wish all posts were as easy to solve as is yours!    *smile*

Just click "footnotes on"!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 11:57 AM

sorry, Steven!                 dunno how to do that, but I will watch this thread so I can learn!      *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 12:09 PM

To get footnotes into Word: 

1. Ensure Copy Footnotes is "Yes" in Tools/Program Settings.

2. Highlight your text with footnotes, right click, Copy. 

3. Open Word, right-click, paste using Keep Source Formatting or Merge Formatting*). Footnotes are there!

* If you paste using default, which is "Keep Text Only", the footnotes are lost as you are pasting only the text.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 12:10 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

sorry, Steven!                 dunno how to do that, but I will watch this thread so I can learn!      *smile*

Steven, I will indeed be watching this thread!

                  When I look at the print preview, the footnote shows up.                But it will NOT print!

You may have discovered a "bug"   -- not pleasant when you have a paper looming.        Hopefully someone can solve this for you!

Edit:  I don't know why this would not print, but when I did it Don's way, it did print!

 

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 12:26 PM

Don Awalt:

To get footnotes into Word: 

1. Ensure Copy Footnotes is "Yes" in Tools/Program Settings.

2. Highlight your text with footnotes, right click, Copy. 

3. Open Word, right-click, paste using Keep Source Formatting or Merge Formatting*). Footnotes are there!

* If you paste using default, which is "Keep Text Only", the footnotes are lost as you are pasting only the text.

Peace Don!              Thank you so very much!              Logos should think of making you an MVP!             Well-done indeed!     *smile*

It works!           Even for an old codger like me!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 1:12 PM

Thanks for what you have given to me Millford. It has helped, I just realize that Logos is limited, and then they limited themselves even more. "Show Footnotes on Page" does not work (at least the way it used to). I discovered however, that if you want to read the book in Logos as a book, and want to see the footnotes like any other book, you either have to view it with at least one column, or you have to click "Show Reading View." Otherwise, you cannot see the footnotes. These books do not come with a footnotes section at the end of the book that you could just turn to for some reason (an issue Logos should address). The other thing I realized is that Logos 5 does not copy the footnotes into their Notes or Clippings area, only the text, even if you click "Show Footnotes on page.

Check out the "Footnotes" forum discussion by Todd White. He shows that there used to be a feature in L4 in the Program Scaling that has been removed in L5 that allowed the footnotes to be seen in text without having to jump through hoops. The link is http://community.logos.com/forums/p/40702/303356.aspx#303356. The highlighted one no longer exists, and the "Show footnotes on page" link in the book panel does not work unless you basically undock the book.

However, as far as exporting the material goes, thank you Don. I tried it and it worked. That is what I was shooting for, just do not think you can store them in notes or Clippings because you cannot, unless someone knows the secret to that Big Smile

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 1:13 PM

Thanks Don! That is just what I needed.

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 1:16 PM

Now try to copy the entire discussion. It only works for the page that is open.

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 1:19 PM

Now try to copy the entire discussion. That is where the problem lies. For just reading, that works great! But if you have to export it, it will be a royal pain :) I did turn it on though just to have the notes readily available, which is nice to have.

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 1:23 PM

BTW Millford , I love this commentary set! I had to do a paper on justifcation in Rom. 6, and this was the best commentary by far! I can't wait until they give us the last 10 commentaries. They need to hurry up before Jesus comes :)

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 1:37 PM

Stephen Jones:

"Show Footnotes on Page" does not work (at least the way it used to). I discovered however, that if you want to read the book in Logos as a book, and want to see the footnotes like any other book, you either have to view it with at least one column, or you have to click "Show Reading View." Otherwise, you cannot see the footnotes.

Yes, you do have to view the book in Paged View (which is what the columns are for; when you have it set to "None" it's like Word's Draft view as opposed to Print Preview). I'm not sure why the "Show footnotes on page" command isn't greyed out when you have Columns set to "None"; it should be, since that command doesn't apply in that situation. I don't think this behavior is different from how Logos has worked in the past; at least since they introduced Paged View which was a new feature as of one of the 4.x releases. Prior to that there was no way of viewing footnotes on the page, only as pop-up windows.

Stephen Jones:

These books do not come with a footnotes section at the end of the book that you could just turn to for some reason (an issue Logos should address).

Stephen Jones:

Check out the "Footnotes" forum discussion by Todd White. He shows that there used to be a feature in L4 in the Program Scaling that has been removed in L5 that allowed the footnotes to be seen in text without having to jump through hoops. The link is http://community.logos.com/forums/p/40702/303356.aspx#303356. The highlighted one no longer exists, and the "Show footnotes on page" link in the book panel does not work unless you basically undock the book.

The setting was moved from a global setting (in Program Settings) to a per-resource setting (in the resource panel menu); I suppose there might be some books you wouldn't want to have footnotes on the bottom of the page for, and this allows you to change the setting on a case-by-case basis.

But the feature as Todd White was describing it is the same as how it works now. Note his comment "This will show footnotes inline when in paged view." You simply have to be in paged view for this to work (Columns set to 1). You don't have to undock the book or view it in Reading View.

Stephen Jones:

However, as far as exporting the material goes, thank you Don. I tried it and it worked. That is what I was shooting for, just do not think you can store them in notes or Clippings because you cannot, unless someone knows the secret to that Big Smile

You're right. I don't think there's a way to copy the footnote contents to Notes or Clippings. That's a feature enhancement to ask for in the Suggestions forum.

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 2:37 PM

"But the feature as Todd White was describing it is the same as how it works now. Note his comment "This will show footnotes inline when in paged view." You simply have to be in paged view for this to work (Columns set to 1). You don't have to undock the book or view it in Reading View."

Rosie,

The problem I was having with the Reading view is that the entire discussion is four pages long. You can read it in this view undocked from your original layout, but you cannot copy all four pages of the document unless you copy them one by one. And I believe I will pass on that one, especially for longer documents such as a journal article with footnotes.

I will likely put this in as a suggestion because I actually have an assignment that I have to read three scholarly commentaries on this issue, summarize them, then pick one to defend that I agree with the most. So I took three commentaries on this passage, and put them in Clippings and exported them to Word. Unfortunately, the footnotes did not tag along into Clippings or Word and I needed them along with the rest of the text. Why Clippings and Notes cannot do this is beyond me, but probably not beyond Logos employees :)

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 6:36 PM

Stephen Jones:

BTW Millford , I love this commentary set! I had to do a paper on justifcation in Rom. 6, and this was the best commentary by far! I can't wait until they give us the last 10 commentaries. They need to hurry up before Jesus comes :)

Peace, Stephen!           I am truly so happy for you!              An excellent commentary set, indeed!      God bless you in the days, weeks, months and years ahead of your serving Him!  *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Leigh Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 7:33 PM

You can also see footnotes if you have Power Lookup open (from Tools).  You can copy from there.

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 8:11 PM

Leigh,

Could you elaborate on how to do that? Thanks!

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Stephen Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 8:12 PM

You too brother!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2013 9:20 PM

Stephen Jones:
The problem I was having with the Reading view is that the entire discussion is four pages long. You can read it in this view undocked from your original layout, but you cannot copy all four pages of the document unless you copy them one by one. And I believe I will pass on that one, especially for longer documents such as a journal article with footnotes.

First of all, I think we have a miscommunication on terminology. When you say "reading view" I think you're intending to talk about what I'm calling "paged view" (that view where you set Columns to 1 or more and turn the pages with the left/right arrow buttons at the lower right of each page). On the other hand, "Reading View" is a mode which you get into by pressing F11 and it can have its own independent Columns setting (which might be "none" in which case footnotes are not at the bottom of each page). Reading View is merely a synonym for Full Screen mode. It has nothing to do with the layout of the page, or where the footnotes appear.

Now that we've got that sorted out (hopefully), reading in Logos and copying to Word are two different operations which are mutually independent. You don't need to copy from paged view to get the footnotes copied into Word. I was merely explaining that to see the footnotes at the bottom of the page when reading in Logos, you do need to use paged view.

Unfortunately, the intended way of copying (with footnotes) into Word isn't currently working, which is to use the Print/Export command. The footnotes don't come across when you do that. I will jiggle their chain again about this bug (or missing functionality) which has been around since forever.

As it is now, however, you can still work around it. As other and you have noted, you can copy with footnotes from non-paged view, and then paste into Word and the footnotes will show up at the bottom of the page. But for reading in Logos with footnotes showing up at the bottom of the page, you need to use Paged View (Columns set to 1), or Reading View (F11 gets you into it, undocked, fills up whole screen), which are two different things -- you're confusing me by using the terminology "Reading View" when I think you meant "paged view".

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2013 3:55 AM

Don Awalt:

3. Open Word, right-click, paste using Keep Source Formatting or Merge Formatting*). Footnotes are there!

* If you paste using default, which is "Keep Text Only", the footnotes are lost as you are pasting only the text.

Just to note that MS Word for Mac 2011 does not work this way. Simply paste the copied text and all footnotes are inserted into the document. That is, provided you have selected "Copy Footnotes" in Program Settings.

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