NA 28 with apparatus

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Justin Cofer | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 30 2013 4:04 PM

Will it be morph tagged like the na 27 with apparatus? The UBS 4th with apparatus is not.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 4:12 PM

Trying to catch your drift. Since there's a UBS4 with morphology, you want the morphology and apparatus in the same volume?


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Justin Cofer | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 4:30 PM

With the na 27 the morphology and apparatus is in one volume.  I'm asking if the na 28 will be the same.  With the UBS 4th, the apparatus edition is not morphologically tagged.  (yes I know there is a separate morph tagged 4th but it lacks the apparatus)

 

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 5:30 PM

The NA28 in Logos 5 has no apparatus, but it is morphologically tagged.

The NA27 with apparatus is morphologically tagged, so I assume that when NA28 with apparatus comes, it will also be morphologically tagged.

Does anyone know when NA28 with apparatus is coming?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 7:03 PM

elnwood:

The NA28 in Logos 5 has no apparatus, but it is morphologically tagged.

The NA27 with apparatus is morphologically tagged, so I assume that when NA28 with apparatus comes, it will also be morphologically tagged.

Does anyone know when NA28 with apparatus is coming?

It will be a while since the bar is hardly marked at all.

http://www.logos.com/product/29980/nestle-aland-greek-new-testament-28th-edition-with-critical-apparatus

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 7:14 PM

George Somsel:

George, thanks for pointing that out. I completely missed it.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 8:09 PM

I find it difficult to believe that many of those who purchased the rather expensive NA27 with critical apparatus would want to pay 70 more dollars for the NA28 with critical apparatus. Surely there is not extensive new material or changes.

I wonder if they'll offer a cheaper 'upgrade' price for those who own the older NA27 resources.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 30 2013 9:49 PM

Yes, George ... thank you!!  I immediately signed up.

Actually all I want is the apparatus; it turns out you can buy the apparatus for $50 by itself.

I'm signed up for both since I don't know how the pre-pub accounts for just the apparatus.

This is the first time that's been possible (buying just the apparatus)!


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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 31 2013 8:50 AM

DMB:
Actually all I want is the apparatus; it turns out you can buy the apparatus for $50 by itself.

Thanks for pointing that out. Only $20 more to get the text is a real deal for those who didn't upgrade to the NA28 with L5.

Its a bit hidden on the pre-pub page. I'd suggest Logos make it more easy to find and have a separate pre-pub listing for the apparatus.

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BriM | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 1:25 AM

DMB:
Actually all I want is the apparatus; it turns out you can buy the apparatus for $50 by itself.

Does the apparatus by itself mean a resource containing that apparatus but no text or does it give a resource containing the text with apparatus for those who already own the NA28?

I note that for NA27 I have it three times: once without apparatus, once with apparatus and text combined and one resource that just contains the apparatus without the text. I haven't figured out what to use the latter for.

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 4:37 AM

I hope it has text and apparatus combinded, however I have a feeling its going to be apparatus w/out text. Im happy to be wrong on that assumption though.

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 5:43 AM

John M. Kight:
I have a feeling its going to be apparatus w/out text

Feelings, are often deceiving. Take a look at this page: http://www.logos.com/product/29980/nestle-aland-greek-new-testament-28th-edition-with-critical-apparatus

The heading states that it is the: Nestle-Aland Greek NT 28th edition with critical apparatus  leading one to conclude there will actually be two items included.

If, one reads on he/she will also notice that one may also pre-order the critical apparatus by it's self by simply clicking on another link. Another, link would not be necessary if the first page were actually offering only the apparatus, right?

 

 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 7:03 AM

Relative to BriM's question, the apparatus separately is most useful if you're not a mouseover person. So also, my notes which are maintained similar to a separate apparatus resource (over several years, many verses can end up with 30-40 notes due to connects to other notes).

But more significantly having a stack of apparatus visually available is more useful due to the multiple editors picking and choosing what they decide should be shown / noted among the versions.

That's one reason why von Soden is valued (though exactly a century earlier, and the Logos version having the apparatus?): http://www.logos.com/product/15705/von-soden-greek-new-testament


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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 7:09 AM

$69.95 pre-pub for NA-28 + apparatus

$49.95 for the NA-28 apparatus alone (not a pre-pub - it goes directly to the checkout page - that link wasn't working last night when I tried, but it is now).

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 7:29 AM

Mark Smith:

George Somsel:

George, thanks for pointing that out. I completely missed it.

Somehow I missed this too. Thanks.

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 7:39 AM

Eric Weiss:

. . . not a pre-pub - it goes directly to the checkout page . . .

It does appear to be immediately available.  Perhaps, someone from Logos can clarify?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 7:51 AM

I clicked on it. This was the email:

Your Pre-Pub Order from Logos.com
Order Date: 1/30/2013

Thank you for placing a pre-order for Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 28th Edition, Critical Apparatus.
 

 I wasn't sure how my pre-pub vote would count, so I also ordered the combined one too. Notice the slight wording difference:

Your Pre-Pub Order from Logos.com
Order Date: 1/30/2013

Thank you for placing a pre-order for Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 28th Edition, with Critical Apparatus.


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BriM | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 8:21 AM

I've not phrased my question very well.

From the sample page of NA28 with apparatus, it looks like this is one resource containing text and apparatus combined.

The product description page gives a link for those who already have NA28 text to get the apparatus. My question really is whether this would give me the single resource containing text and apparatus combined or a separate apparatus only? Unfortunately, there is no page preview for the cheaper resource - it just goes straight to the order dialogue.

If it's apparatus-only then why is it only for those who already have the NA28 text? DMB seems to be saying that the apparatus has value in it's own right. Presumably some people would want to order both pre-pubs?

DMB:
That's one reason why von Soden is valued

OK. I've bid on von Soden.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 8:44 AM

BriM:
From the sample page of NA28 with apparatus, it looks like this is one resource containing text and apparatus combined.

these sample pages are from the print edition and in no way indicative for the question of one or two resources. My take is: two of them, since Logos has a separate type for apparatus resources, and IIRC it's the same with NA27.

BriM:
The product description page gives a link for those who already have NA28 text to get the apparatus. My question really is whether this would give me the single resource containing text and apparatus combined or a separate apparatus only?

Of course this would give you the apparatus only, otherwise you'd get the same product as those who order text and apparatus. Many have the text already from the base packages.

BriM:
If it's apparatus-only then why is it only for those who already have the NA28 text? DMB seems to be saying that the apparatus has value in it's own right. Presumably some people would want to order both pre-pubs?

I can imagine people doing this for speed of delivery reasons (and subsequently cancelling the second order prior to shipment). The apparatus imho probably won't work well with another Greek NT text (maybe NA27 is an exception), since the idea of the apparatus is to show the alternative options the producers of the text did not choose.

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Rick Brannan (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 1 2013 9:41 AM

Hi folks

NB.Mick:

BriM:
From the sample page of NA28 with apparatus, it looks like this is one resource containing text and apparatus combined.

these sample pages are from the print edition and in no way indicative for the question of one or two resources. My take is: two of them, since Logos has a separate type for apparatus resources, and IIRC it's the same with NA27.

This is my understanding right now:

There will be two resources, one for NA28 with apparatus markers, the other for the apparatus. I *believe* that if you have the NA28 already, then you just need to go for the apparatus only. This means (again, as I understand it currently) that we will be updating the NA28 that already exists (so, "yes" to the "does it include morph tagging?" question) to include apparatus markers. These will be links (data type links) to the apparatus resource, just like we currently have with the NA27 and apparatus that was originally available as part of the SESB.

We treat the apparatus as a separate resource because there is value to seeing multiple notes at once; tracing how a passage is represented in the 'consistently cited' witnesses used by NA.

If you do actually use the apparatus of NA27, and find it useful, I'd recommend thinking about NA28. The apparatus (not just in the catholic epistles) has been extensively revised and some ways of presenting information have been changed to make the information much more clear. I did a short blog post on my personal blog going over the sorts of things the front matter of NA28 indicated as changed; if you're on the fence, it could be helpful: http://www.supakoo.com/rick/ricoblog/2012/12/02/NA28WhatTheFrontMatterSaysAboutTheEdition.aspx

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