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James William Roberts, Jr. | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2013 11:58 AM

I just downloaded the L5 engine upgrade. The topic guide does not bring up anything when I type in a topic. I have Naves and 14 other Topical references according to my Library. Any help?

https://sites.google.com/a/oldpaths.org.uk/oldpaths-the-sword-of-the-spiritthe-word-of-god--eph-617b/personal-books/jamesroberts-docx

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 7 2013 12:24 PM

James William Roberts, Jr.:
I just downloaded the L5 engine upgrade. The topic guide does not bring up anything when I type in a topic.

James - If you want to enable the new features, such as the Topic Guide, you need to purchase an upgrade. You can purchase a new base package, or purchase the minimal cross grade. When you download the engine alone, it will provide you with the same features as L4, with the updated engine only.

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Thank you. I was assuming it would work with the Topical Indexes I already own like the Nave's Topical Index, etc. What I get for assuming.

https://sites.google.com/a/oldpaths.org.uk/oldpaths-the-sword-of-the-spiritthe-word-of-god--eph-617b/personal-books/jamesroberts-docx

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 7 2013 1:40 PM

James William Roberts, Jr.:

Thank you. I was assuming it would work with the Topical Indexes I already own like the Nave's Topical Index, etc. What I get for assuming.

The topic guide is more than just opening up Nave's… which you can do without the Topic Guide. It requires the Topic Guide Data Set which Logos employees spent much time and effort putting together. Here are links to the core datasets & minimal cross-grade. Your price for each should be based on what you already own. 

http://www.logos.com/product/28494/logos-5-core-datasets

http://www.logos.com/product/28376/logos-5-minimal-crossgrade

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2013 7:51 AM

alabama24:

It requires the Topic Guide Data Set which Logos employees spent much time and effort putting together. Here are links to the core datasets & minimal cross-grade.

I didn't react yesterday, but after reading something else, this thread came back to me. Is there a "Topic Guide Data Set"? Doesn't the Topic Guide require the LCV, and isn't the LCV included in the Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade (and the L5 base packages), but not in the L5 MC or CD?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2013 8:06 AM

fgh:
Doesn't the Topic Guide require the LCV, and isn't the LCV included in the Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade (and the L5 base packages), but not in the L5 MC or CD?

According to http://www.logos.com/product/28494/logos-5-core-datasets, the Topic Guide feature is included in both L5 MC and CD

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2013 8:07 AM

fgh:
Is there a "Topic Guide Data Set"?

I guess I am not sure what defines a "data set." But it does appear to be something you have to purchase. The screen shot is from the "core dataset" page. The left column of dots is the core dataset column… the right is the "minimal crossgrade."

 

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2013 8:48 AM

I agree with both of you, but there's a difference between 'feature' and 'dataset'. The L5 CD and MC both presuppose that you already own an L4 package or MC (and thus the LCV):

And Dave certainly seems to think the LCV is necessary for Topic Guide to work: Guides.

Now, maybe I was so influenced by the other thread where someone couldn't use the Topic Guide, that I just wrongly assumed this user also didn't own an L4 package. If so, you're probably right. But if he doesn't own L4, I don't think the L5 CD or MC would help him without the L4 MC.

Hmm, he certainly didn't own any L4 package in November: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58820/419189.aspx#419189.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2013 9:25 AM

Thanks fgh.

Appreciated, Graham

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2013 5:31 PM

fgh:
I agree with both of you, but there's a difference between 'feature' and 'dataset'. The L5 CD and MC both presuppose that you already own an L4 package or MC (and thus the LCV):

A very good point and another source of confusion. Bradley confirmed privately that LCV is required and that it comes with any Logos 4 or Logos 5 base package, Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade, or Verbum.  The fact that  the Upgrade page and Verbum page don't mention the feature nor the dataset only adds to the confusion, but I have requested Logos to clarify matters in these web pages.  Meanwhile, I have documented what I got from Bradley at http://wiki.logos.com/Upgrade_or_Crossgrade

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William M. Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 6:25 AM

I purchased the Logos 5 minimal crossgrade for $159.95 to upgrade from Logos 4 and the topic guide is not working for me either. When I type in a word I get nothing in the search results.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 7:29 AM

William M. Harper:

I purchased the Logos 5 minimal crossgrade for $159.95 to upgrade from Logos 4 and the topic guide is not working for me either. When I type in a word I get nothing in the search results.

What do you own in terms of base packages, core datasets & minimal crossgrades?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 7:43 AM

I read Dave's wiki page, and it's clear the situation is getting seriously depressing.

In L3, I had a 'package' (OL). It did not include many higher package tools, but some arrived accidentally on CDs I purchased. Then I did a crossgrade in L4. But moving to L5, I'm pretty sure my 'package' disappeared, replaced with an L5 crossgrade. I think I'm lost in space per Dave's wiki.

Logos has so muddied the waters, that users can't easily tell what they 'own' or at least accidentally 'own' or maybe 'own'.


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William M. Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 10:53 AM

All I know is that I bought the Christian Home Library (JG) [DVD] in 2011. I installed it on my computer and have been using Logos 4 up until this week when I did the Logos 5 crossgrade. It was my understanding that all of the core datasets were included with the L5 minimal upgrade. I am not interested in buying a base package because I would only be paying for a lot of resources I didn't want or would never use. I thought the L5 minimal crossgrade would be sufficient for my needs.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 12:13 PM

Hi William

William M. Harper:

All I know is that I bought the Christian Home Library (JG) [DVD] in 2011. I installed it on my computer and have been using Logos 4 up until this week when I did the Logos 5 crossgrade. It was my understanding that all of the core datasets were included with the L5 minimal upgrade. I am not interested in buying a base package because I would only be paying for a lot of resources I didn't want or would never use. I thought the L5 minimal crossgrade would be sufficient for my needs.

the L5 crossgrades assume a L4 base package. From your post I assume you didnt have one.

if that is the case, then to get functionality such as Topic Guide you will need the L4 minimal Crossgrade (http://www.logos.com/product/28576/logos-4-minimal-crossgrade).

is that an option for you?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 12:21 PM

What exactly do you mean when you say that the Topic Guide "is not working"?

  • Do you mean that when you type in a word there is no dropdown with suggestions? If so, you are probably trying a word that isn't [yet] included in the LCV. Try something else.
  • Or do you mean that when you make a selection from the dropdown and run the guide, it comes up with 0 results. If so, you probably don't have any resources that are tagged for that topic. The results come from your books, mainly your Bible dictionaries, and Christian Home Library doesn't have that many books, so you can't expect that many results.

William M. Harper:
I am not interested in buying a base package because I would only be paying for a lot of resources I didn't want or would never use. I thought the L5 minimal crossgrade would be sufficient for my needs.

The MC is an expensive way to get databases most users will never use. I suspect Starter would be of much more use to you than the full L5 MC.

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William M. Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 12:26 PM

I don't understand why I would need to buy a L4 minimal crossgrade when I was already using Logos 4 or why I need one now after I have purchased the L5 crossgrade and am now using Logos 5. That doesn't make much sense to me. Wasn't the Christian Home Library I purchased in 2011 a base package?

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William M. Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 12:46 PM

fgh:
The MC is an expensive way to get databases most users will never use. I suspect Starter would be of much more use to you than the full L5 MC

I purchased the MC mainly to move from L4 to L5 and to get the new features. The Topic Guide is one of those features I expected to get. I expect to use the Topic Guide and  the Timeline often. Since I have been a Logos 4 user I purchased several new resources so I have a lot of books now. So I don't think a lack of resources the problem. Logos recommended I buy the Bronze package but I went with the MC. I don't need a Starter package and I don't want one of the more expensive packages.

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William M. Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 1:42 PM

Well, the Topic Guide does work in conjunction with the Sermon Starter Guide so apparently data is there. I just can't get any search results when using it by itself. Maybe it is just me. Confused

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 1:57 PM

The quick way to see if the Topic Guide "works".

1. open a new topic guide

2. type chr in the selection box

3. wait for it to bring up a pick list

4. no pick list? it isn't working; short pick list - you have few resources indexed for the Topic Guide.

5. select item from pick list.

6. crash or no results - installation problem, call customer service

7. results ... that what's available to you in your resources.

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