Could Someone Explain the new "Active Layout" added in 5.0b?

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Samuel Clough | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 13 2013 4:27 AM

Maybe this should be obvious, but what do the release notes mean by "added the concept of active layout?"

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 5:17 AM

Samuel Clough:
Maybe this should be obvious,

I don't find it intuitive even after beta testing it. The "explanation" in the Release Notes is

Added concept of active layout, which once selected is marked with a check mark in the Layouts panel. This layout will remain active until a new layout is selected or the program is restarted.

When you name a layout on the RHS (usually the snapshot that says "Save as named layout") it appears on the LHS e.g. Laptop 5.A. If you then click that layout on the LHS it becomes the Active Layout and its name appears in the main window Title bar as shown above. When you exit Logos the layout is saved as "Application Closed".  It can be loaded on restart depending on the Settings you choose:-

A "local" layout is one saved on your computer whereas "any" includes a layout from another computer (whichever is the more recent). If you want to continue your study on another computer, close Logos and restart Logos 5.0b on the other computer. It will pick up the saved layout if it is set to load "Most recent layout - any".

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Samuel Clough | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 6:26 AM

Ok. The only thing I see new (besides the new screen) is the layout name showing in the title bar and more options on which layout to load at startup. Is there something else I'm missing?

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Monroe R Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 7:50 AM

While you have a layout open, it tells you what you are working on. I find this very useful. I have a number of layouts with some of the same resources open in each and sometimes I lose track of which thing I'm working on. This allows me to see at a glance.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 10:13 AM

Samuel Clough:

Ok. The only thing I see new (besides the new screen) is the layout name showing in the title bar and more options on which layout to load at startup. Is there something else I'm missing?

I don't think you're missing anything... this is a step toward "restoring" L3's layout capabilities...  we still need better protection on named layouts, however. IMO, the named layouts (on left) should not also appear on the right among the "junk" snapshots, thus being easily deleted when cleaning up snapshots to improve performance.

We also still would very much LIKE a command we could pin that will "Save Current Layout", one of L3's most powerful features...

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Bradley Grainger (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 3:54 PM

BillS:

We also still would very much LIKE a command we could pin that will "Save Current Layout", one of L3's most powerful features...

Does pressing Ctrl+Alt+L (Ctrl+Opt+Cmd+L on Mac) to update the active layout (i.e., the one named in the main window title bar) to the current snapshot do what you want?

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 5:50 PM

BillS:
IMO, the named layouts (on left) should not also appear on the right among the "junk" snapshots, thus being easily deleted when cleaning up snapshots to improve performance.
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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 8:57 PM

 

Bradley Grainger (Logos):

BillS:

We also still would very much LIKE a command we could pin that will "Save Current Layout", one of L3's most powerful features...

Does pressing Ctrl+Alt+L (Ctrl+Opt+Cmd+L on Mac) to update the active layout (i.e., the one named in the main window title bar) to the current snapshot do what you want?

Hi Bradley,

Thanks much for the response! I tried it, but I can't tell what if anything happened. After 3 or for times, the sync wheel spun a few times, but it wasn't obvious what got synced. Short of reloading the layout, how would I know what happened?

Also, what would I key into the command window so I could drag it up to the command bar & label it? What I really want is a button, since I use it so often...

Thanks again!

Bill

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Bradley Grainger (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 8:49 AM

BillS:

I tried it, but I can't tell what if anything happened. After 3 or for times, the sync wheel spun a few times, but it wasn't obvious what got synced. Short of reloading the layout, how would I know what happened?

Open a layout (it becomes the active layout).

Change the panels that are open.

Press Ctrl+Alt+L to update the active layout to the current state (snapshot).

To see that it had an effect, open the Layouts menu. Your updated layout should be the second one on the right. You can see that it has your layout's name and has a screenshot of the current state.

BillS:

Also, what would I key into the command window so I could drag it up to the command bar & label it? What I really want is a button, since I use it so often...

I don't think there's a command you can drag to the shortcuts bar. But you can press Ctrl+Alt+L... Smile (I'll put in a request to have a command that can be dragged.)

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 9:06 AM

Woo hoo!!!!   Shortcut bar 'Update this layout'!!!

(Thanks BillS and Bradley)


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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 9:33 AM

tom:
BillS:
IMO, the named layouts (on left) should not also appear on the right among the "junk" snapshots, thus being easily deleted when cleaning up snapshots to improve performance.
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In my opinion, the named layouts should appear on the right (one may need the snapshot to remember what various layouts look like), BUT they should not be deletable from the right. The moment you name a layout, the little x should go away.

Named layouts should only be deletable by right-click in the left column. Preferably with a popup confirmation needed as well.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 10:34 AM

Regarding our warning-friend's suspisions that threads are hidden by Logos, the software indeed might be frail. This thread disappeared on me. I went to Google to find it.

That Save-Current-Layout-Icon is just too precious to loose!


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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 1:24 PM

fgh:
Named layouts should only be deletable by right-click in the left column. Preferably with a popup confirmation needed as well.

An advantage of Active Layout is that you can have many layouts with the same name by renaming others.

The layout on the LHS (left) is removed only when the last layout with that name is deleted on the RHS (right). A rule to only delete from the LHS might appear safe but it takes away some advantages. A popup confirmation would be more appropriate when trying to delete the last/only named layout on the RHS.

 

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 5:38 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):

Open a layout (it becomes the active layout).

Change the panels that are open.

Press Ctrl+Alt+L to update the active layout to the current state (snapshot).

To see that it had an effect, open the Layouts menu. Your updated layout should be the second one on the right. You can see that it has your layout's name and has a screenshot of the current state.

BillS:

Also, what would I key into the command window so I could drag it up to the command bar & label it? What I really want is a button, since I use it so often...

WOW----THANK you, Bradley! 

I don't think there's a command you can drag to the shortcuts bar. But you can press Ctrl+Alt+L... Smile (I'll put in a request to have a command that can be dragged.)

 

 

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 14 2013 5:41 PM

fgh:

tom:
BillS:
IMO, the named layouts (on left) should not also appear on the right among the "junk" snapshots, thus being easily deleted when cleaning up snapshots to improve performance.
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In my opinion, the named layouts should appear on the right (one may need the snapshot to remember what various layouts look like), BUT they should not be deletable from the right. The moment you name a layout, the little x should go away.

Named layouts should only be deletable by right-click in the left column. Preferably with a popup confirmation needed as well.

Though I personally don't need it on the right, I can see your point about wanting to remember what the layout looks like...  So I could support your suggestion as meeting the needs of a greater number of users than mine. Yes Cool

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2013 12:56 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
(I'll put in a request to have a command that can be dragged.)

Which makes me wonder: why does typing update in the command box only come up with Update now, and not Update resources? I have to type all the way to update resour before the latter appears in the dropdown. Which means I have to already know the command in order to be able to use it.

I seem to remember the import commands have the same problem. 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2013 1:20 PM

Dave Hooton:

An advantage of Active Layout is that you can have many layouts with the same name by renaming others.

(...)

The layout on the LHS (left) is removed only when the last layout with that name is deleted on the RHS (right). A rule to only delete from the LHS might appear safe but it takes away some advantages. A popup confirmation would be more appropriate when trying to delete the last/only named layout on the RHS.

Dave, I'm afraid your post just makes me even more confused. Why would I want to have several layouts with the same name? What opens if I click in the left column? The last snapshot with that name? What opens if I click on a lower one in the right column? The 'snapshot' version, or the last version? What are these 'advantages' you're talking about?

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2013 1:27 PM

fgh:

Why does typing update in the command box only come up with Update now, and not Update resources? I have to type all the way to update resour before the latter appears in the dropdown. Which means I have to already know the command in order to be able to use it.

I seem to remember the import commands have the same problem. 

That's why I've dragged these commands to the "task bar" & given them an Icon... I use them a lot, too. Blessings!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2013 2:29 PM

fgh:
Dave, I'm afraid your post just makes me even more confused. Why would I want to have several layouts with the same name?

You already get multiple "Application Closed" layouts with a different timestamp, which represent your layout at the time you exited Logos. I like to label them more accurately i.e. use the actual layout name, in  case I want  to revert to a previous version. It also prevents me getting confused between different named layouts that are saved as "Application Closed".

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Bradley Grainger (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2013 8:25 PM

fgh:

Which means I have to already know the command in order to be able to use it.

That sounds pretty sensible to me; I'm not sure what is gained by prompting customers to run commands they don't know about (and don't know what the effects will be).

The command box is not intended to be a generic command-discovery mechanism; the feedback is to indicate that you haven't made a typo in entering it. The commands are documented in the Help file.

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