12 Days of Logos Christmas Special

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James Ogle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 7:52 AM

This is awesome. I needed this book for one of my classes next semester. I just saved a bunch of money. Thanks Logos !!!

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 11:14 AM

Allen Browne:

Okay, they got me in with day 4.  :-)

Vanhoozer's understanding of postmodernism is great, and there's a lot of contributors in this dictionary's 800+ pages.

(BTW, love the way it added itself to my Hermeneutics collection in L4.)

Day4 got me too. Very appreciative of this one. Thanks!

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:16 PM

Philip Spitzer:

Robert Pavich:
I wanted to get two Logos travel mugs at 5.00 each...but the shipping was over 10.00!!

We'll that's silly. They should have offered it as a download.

Philip...

I bought the mugs, and used the download option.

there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!

Robert Pavich

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:21 PM

Robert Pavich:

Philip Spitzer:

Robert Pavich:
I wanted to get two Logos travel mugs at 5.00 each...but the shipping was over 10.00!!

We'll that's silly. They should have offered it as a download.

 

Philip...

I bought the mugs, and used the download option.

there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!

It is an indexing not a downloading bug. Check your log.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:26 PM

Robert Pavich:

Philip...

I bought the mugs, and used the download option.

there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!

You can always get a refund.

There's nothing stopping you using the cups in your cupboard. The mugs are designed to be used alongside your already existing cups...

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:41 PM

I had to pass on the Anchor Dictionary.  As much as I wanted this resource, my very gracious and understanding wife did not get upset when I purchased the NICOT/NICNT and upgraded to L4 Platinum, I'd better not push my luck.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:07 PM

Damian McGrath:

Robert Pavich:

Philip...

I bought the mugs, and used the download option.

there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!

You can always get a refund.

There's nothing stopping you using the cups in your cupboard. The mugs are designed to be used alongside your already existing cups...

You must have gotten some of the L4 mugs that they substituted when they ran out of their supply of L3 mugs.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:12 PM

George Somsel:

You must have gotten some of the L4 mugs that they substituted when they ran out of their supply of L3 mugs.

L3 mugs are still available as a free download. You are paying for the coffee not the mug.

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Kaye Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 1:16 PM

 

Robert Pavich:

I bought the mugs, and used the download option.

there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!

Sounds like my recently released Pre-Pub!  Big Smile

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Jeremy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 3:01 PM

Great Christmas special today, the Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of Scripture. I was just about to suggest this as a prepub and then I checked the 12 Days of Logos special page.

 

BTW, Vanhoozer, a professor I had at Trinity, is the best evangelical Systematic Theologian in the world.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 9:24 PM
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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 9:49 PM

*In my deleted post above, I was having formatting issues due to imported html.  Therefore I placed those items at the bottom of this post to avoid the issue...check those out before reading the post.

It's certainly nice that Logos is offering this for $25 for one day...but then it goes back to $55 bucks.  That's $20 more for an e-book than the tangible, flip-through 'n' browse, take-to-the-beach (if your like me), loan-to-a-friend, sell-on-ebay (if you're so minded) version that can bought new on Amazon.  Does that strike anyone else as...wrong?  I've made the argument in other posts (the Zondervan collection posts, for instance) that e-books, very much because of their incorporality and insubstantiality ought to be treated as a commodity (i.e. sold in bulk) and at drastic discounts over the "in hand" versions. 

The point I made in the other posts is that just a generation ago, before e-books and hyperlinking changed the landscape (in a very similar way as how mp3's changed the area of music consumption), very few individuals bought their own copies of items like ICC, WBC, Anchor Bible, and other similar multivolume resources.  Instead, seminaries and libraries bought a copy and dozens or hundreds of users used them as they had opportunity.  Now most of us are buying MANY of these multivolume sets just for our OWN use.  As a result, I'm quite certain that the volume of sales for these items is going through the roof compared to many years ago.  And yet the price doesn't appear to be going down...rather it often seems to be GOING UP (see above example...er, now it's the below example LOL). 

I commend Logos for its recognition of the discount concept as displayed in the base packages.  That is exactly the right way to proceed.  But I suggest that this should be the standard for all sales of e-books across the board.  There are hundreds of items not listed in any package offered by Logos, and they are marketed much the same way as the example above...i.e. the e-book literally costs MORE than the hardcopy does (unless temporarily on sale).  Some people attempt to justify this by pointing out the greater utility that exists in the digital version.  Yes, but that greater utility (with some lost utility as well) is precisely WHY thousands of individual users are buying individual copies of resources once purchased almost exclusively by institutions.  And just as the ever increasing capability and utility of computers is not accompanied by every increasing prices, to the contrary, computer prices are constantly decreasing even in the face of greater power and functionality. 

When a new product first hits the market, it is sold at a premium because it has to be sold in lower quantities to those few willing and able to pay for new (and in some cases potentially "dead end") cutting-edge technology.  There's also a bit of the capitalization on the willingness of some to buy the more expensive "new" thing just so the buyer can have the temporary bragging rights of being the only one on the block to have "such and such".  But as seen in the price of HD televisions (like computers, and indeed like nearly all electronics), the prices fall to a level such that even dollar stores eventually offer the once high-end products.  Let's not forget that the "e" in e-book stands for "electronic". 

I argue that the appropriate standard for e-books should be the low cost "bulk purchase" paradigm that is characterized by WalMart, Costco, Sam's, etc.  Logos does that with base packages, but I for one would like to see that spread to the rest of its stable of resources.  Specifically, I have in mind packages that do not include any of the items found in base packages.  I do understand that to some extent Logos is at the mercy of publishers used to selling tangible items.  I know Bob is doing his best to bring them around to the e-book concept, or a better understanding of that concept.  The Zondervan package is a textbook example.  As I've explained in those threads, I am fairly certain that Zondervan would sell MORE than 4 times as many packages if they cut their asking price by 75%.  That would be a net gain in profits for them.  It also gets the resources into MANY more hands, and that should be recognized as good for all parties involved...authors, publishers, and end-users. 

Anyway, as soon as I hit the "Post" button, I'm going to get the Day4 offering.  But I can tell you that I would rather purchase it as part of a bigger collection at an even bigger discount.  I originally signed up for the PrePub of the Baker collection that today's offering was a part of, but even at the PrePub price, I recalculated that it was too rich for my wallet.  Then after it went off PrePub, they came out with a deal on the cornerstone item of that package, which was the item I was most interested in.  But even at that "sale price", I paid more for that e-book than I could have paid for the same book on Amazon.  That is silly in theory, but since money is involved...it's also absurd.  This book, today's offering, is from that same collection.  There are a couple of other items I would also like from that collection...but now my worry is that I may buy these things piecemeal, only to find in a year that Logos has decided to implement a discount program like what I've suggest above, and the Baker collection that both of these books is part of will be part of that collection, and they will be offered at that deep discount price I want to see.  That dilemma causes me to spend less money then I am willing to part with to get the things I want.

I am a Portfolio owner because I practice what I preach.  I will fork over big bucks for big deals.  I only sparingly spare with my shekels when the deal isn't there.  But there's still lots of things in Logos's stable I would like to have in my "access" file, i.e. my Library.  A couple of years ago I made a list of items I wanted to have, and even being selective I tabulated it and came up with $18,000.  That was before tons of other items came out, some of which I have purchased on PrePub.  Will I ever buy those items?  Not at the current prices.  So what does Logos get from me on those things?  Nothing.  If they slashed those items by 80-90%, I would eventually be willing to pay $3-4k for those items in a lump sum (on installment).  If they slashed it to $2000 to $2,500, I'd make every effort to take advantage as soon as I could make it happen (for now, I am going to be paying for my Portfolio for a few months to come). 

I'll close this by making a suggestion I've made in other threads.  I would like to see a "Make Your Own Package" deal, where the amount of discount increases as the dollar amount of the purchase increases.  But the amount of discount would have to be substantial enough to tip my internal "value" scale.  I've heard Bob say that the Portfolio is at about a 90% discount...and I'm sure that's off the SRP. That's pretty much what I'm talking about, and that's why I am a Portfolio owner.  Obviously, lower dollar amounts would be far lower in % savings.  But even folks who aren't quite "there" in terms of their available financial outlay could benefit from a deal such as the one I'm describing.  The key thing should be getting more product in people's hands.  Making the value "irresistable" will do just that, and would also (I'm pretty certain) increase Logos's profits as well. 

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 10:12 PM

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 10:22 PM

David Paul:
tangible, flip-through 'n' browse, take-to-the-beach (if your like me), loan-to-a-friend,

David, This is a DICTIONARY! It makes more sense than ever to buy this in Logos format than hardback. If you sit on the beach reading a dictionary you are a little disturbed. (My son read the whole encyclopedia through, but at least the entries were longer and more interesting. Plus he is weird too sometimes.)

David Paul:
And yet the price doesn't appear to be going down...rather it often seems to be GOING UP

I sailed on the USS President Cleveland to Japan in 1970. It took 2 weeks and stopped in Hawaii.  Paradise  All food (including steak, scallops and shrimp) was free. The price of  Travel  an airline ticket today is the same but you don't get 42 meals and onboard activities. Prices change. Do you earn more today than you did ten years ago?

David Paul:
Will I ever buy those items?  Not at the current prices.  So what does Logos get from me on those things?  Nothing.  If they slashed those items by 80-90%, I would eventually be willing to pay $3-4k for those items in a lump sum (on installment). 

Some things in life You and I are never going to buy. You will eat at Hardee's with a coupon and I'll read my eBooks while I eat my ramen noodles. I would love for my bank to discount my house 80~90% and let me pay the "lump sum" in installments. Stick out tongue If they would drop the price of a Hummer 90% I would buy one of them too. Automobile Just thank God we live in a capitalist society and that Logos is producing these resources. In a socialist society nobody would be making Bible software of this calibre.

(We have heard your opinion on the economics of e-books 3x now. Thank Logos and take a rest.)Coffee

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 10:46 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Just thank God we live in a capitalist society and that Logos is producing these resources. In a socialist society nobody would be making Bible software of this calibre.

You can still sort of say that, but whether it will be true in another 3 yrs is up for grabs.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 11:48 PM

Tick,

Tick,

Tick, ...... Time   Am I the only one staying up for the next 12 Days of Christmas Sale item?

If you haven't bought today's you only have 15 more minutes! JUMP on it!

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:12 AM

Matthew C Jones:
Am I the only one staying up for the next 12 Days of Christmas Sale item
Yes, I went to bed hours ago. Sleep

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:18 AM

Matthew C Jones:

David, This is a DICTIONARY! It makes more sense than ever to buy this in Logos format than hardback. If you sit on the beach reading a dictionary you are a little disturbed.

Matt, I read dictionaries and encyclopedias all the time.  Not cover to cover, but I can spend hours browsing around in one or the other.  When I was living on campus at UNO (New Orleans), I used to go to the library and wander from floor to floor, aisle to aisle, and just pull stuff at random off of shelves and stand there reading until I got bored.  Then I'd wander to another place and do the same.  I could kill a whole afternoon and evening that way...so, disturbed?  Maybe.

Matthew C Jones:

Just thank God we live in a capitalist society and that Logos is producing these resources. In a socialist society nobody would be making Bible software of this calibre.

Speaking of disturbed, it disturbs me that you've mentioned the word "socialism" on two occasions (one having been removed upon reconsideration) with regard to my suggestions on this topic.  I'm perplexed by that, since haggling over price is the quintesence of the free market...it practically defines it.  I'm using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems) to cajole, inform, postulate, and otherwise attempt to influence those on the other side of the bargaining table to accede to my point of view, which it just so happens will provide a "win-win" opportunity for all parties involved (including you, Matt, if I'm successful). 

Your "shut up and take what's offered and be grateful for it" stance, ironically enough, is exactly what those in socialistic and communistic systems are forced to accept.  Your perspective seems to be inside out and backwards.

Matthew C Jones:

(We have heard your opinion on the economics of e-books 3x now. Thank Logos and take a rest.)Coffee

 I've just finished observing Shabbat, so I've had my rest for the week. Angel  Thanks for the cup of joe, though. Wink

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:51 AM

David Paul:
using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems)

Really? Somebody needs to tell the Swedes.  As a (part) Finn renegade, I also knew there was something about those Swedes .... note: for those who don't know their Finnish history, Finland was part of Sweden at one time and it has a significant Swedish population - one of whom my full-Finn classmate married.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 1:31 AM

Russ Quinn:

George Somsel:

You must have gotten some of the L4 mugs that they substituted when they ran out of their supply of L3 mugs.

L3 mugs are still available as a free download. You are paying for the coffee not the mug.

 

Both...classics....I spewed coffee out of my nose..thanks guys...

Robert Pavich

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