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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 1:33 AM

Robert Pavich:
Both...classics....I spewed coffee out of my nose..thanks guys...

You better stop doing that. Your gonna get your sniffer all out of wack.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 1:36 AM

 

 

It is an indexing not a downloading bug. Check your log.

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You can always get a refund.

There's nothing stopping you using the cups in your cupboard. The mugs are designed to be used alongside your already existing cups...

 

Again....both classics....you guys really brightened my morning.... Big Smile

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 5:01 AM

David Paul:
Now most of us are buying MANY of these multivolume sets just for our OWN use.  As a result, I'm quite certain that the volume of sales for these items is going through the roof compared to many years ago.  And yet the price doesn't appear to be going down...rather it often seems to be GOING UP

I don't want to appear insensitive to your complaint, but businesses exist to make a profit. As such, they sell their product for what the market will bear. If more people agreed with you, the price would come down, because the product would not sell. If the product sells for a certain price, there is no incentive to reduce the price and therefore gain less profit. That is the way the marketplace works.

David Paul:
I'll close this by making a suggestion I've made in other threads.  I would like to see a "Make Your Own Package" deal, where the amount of discount increases as the dollar amount of the purchase increases.  But the amount of discount would have to be substantial enough to tip my internal "value" scale.  I've heard Bob say that the Portfolio is at about a 90% discount...and I'm sure that's off the SRP. That's pretty much what I'm talking about, and that's why I am a Portfolio owner.  Obviously, lower dollar amounts would be far lower in % savings.  But even folks who aren't quite "there" in terms of their available financial outlay could benefit from a deal such as the one I'm describing.  The key thing should be getting more product in people's hands.  Making the value "irresistable" will do just that, and would also (I'm pretty certain) increase Logos's profits as well. 

That may work, but it would probably be very labor intensive unless you are speaking of an automatic % discount based on total cost. The publishers might not agree to that procedure. It is an interesting proposal, however.

David Paul:
am a Portfolio owner because I practice what I preach.  I will fork over big bucks for big deals

Having read that I can see that you are a customer suggesting a better way of doing business.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 5:16 AM

David Paul:
Speaking of disturbed, it disturbs me that you've mentioned the word "socialism" on two occasions (one having been removed upon reconsideration) with regard to my suggestions on this topic.  I'm perplexed by that, since haggling over price is the quintesence of the free market...it practically defines it.  I'm using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems) to cajole, inform, postulate, and otherwise attempt to influence those on the other side of the bargaining table to accede to my point of view, which it just so happens will provide a "win-win" opportunity for all parties involved (including you, Matt, if I'm successful). 

May be I did not get all the discussion involved (I was busy with buying the Day 4 Special Geeked ) I have to say however you are right in your commenting on the socialist and communist system. I lived in such for much longer part of my life, so I know what I am speaking about.

One of my first shock experiences, when being able to go to the Free World (it was Helsinki by the way) was to realize you can buy the same thing for many different prices. For example, in the socialist system you were able to buy just one or 2 cameras (in our Czech, it means more lucky situation) and always for the same price. Whether you got it in Prague or in the smallest town, price was the same. Coming to Helsinki, I asked my friend to get me to the camera shop and I was shocked. There were 50 or more cameras and he said if I want better prices we can go somewhere else. What you mean somewhere else? You mean they will have different prices for the same camera? It is illegal, no? Not at all. Welcome to the free market. You would not believe the feeling Big Smile

So, thanks God for the free market and for the freedom of speech. Of course the biggest thanks for the freedom to practice our Christianity. It was not so obvious before and it is not so in many parts of the world today.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 5:47 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
So, thanks God for the free market and for the freedom of speech. Of course the biggest thanks for the freedom to practice our Christianity. It was not so obvious before and it is not so in many parts of the world today.

And thank you, Bohuslav, for that insight. Quite often, we here in the States do no realize how very fortunate we are. I remember port visits to the East Coast of Africa and to Karachi. One of our chiefs remarked that every citizen of the US should be required to spend six weeks in that area and then perhaps they would realize how "lucky" they were. (Lucky was his word, I no longer believe in luck. God is in control of providence)

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 8:10 AM

David Paul:
Speaking of disturbed, it disturbs me that you've mentioned the word "socialism" on two occasions (one having been removed upon reconsideration) with regard to my suggestions on this topic.

I removed the post because it was off-topic. Since keeping to topic is not that important to you I will address it this time.

Free market doesn't mean you walk into a store & walk out with something for free. Haggle all you want but if you do it publicly you're shooting yourself in the foot. If Logos sells a Portfolio package to some impoverished missionary or preacher for $99 you will never hear about it. If you demand everybody gets Portfolio for $99 you will never see that either.  In the 1980s I read The Freeman, all the Austrian economists, Heritage Foundation reports, and other related tomes. (It was a slow decade in literature.) I know what defines socialism, communisim and free market. I was also a union organizer with collective bargaining training. I served in public office and made frequent use of "executive sessions." (Oh, as church deacon and elder too.) Some things don't belong on display.

David Paul:
I'm using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems) to cajole, inform, postulate, and otherwise attempt to influence those on the other side of the bargaining table to accede to my point of view, which it just so happens will provide a "win-win" opportunity for all parties involved (including you, Matt, if I'm successful). 

Do I have the free speech right to walk in the White House and tell President Obama what I think of his socialist agenda? Did Act-Up have the free speech right to interrupt Cardinal O' Connor during Communion at St. Patrick's Cathedral? There is a reason most delicate military operations are covertly done. You can get anything done if you don't mind who gets the credit.

I appreciate your stated goals. I just don't believe you will attain them this way. Plus, it is not polite to insult Logos in their own house. You would not walk in a restaurant and shout for lower menu prices, would you?

In Genesis 23:9 Abraham gladfully pays the full fair price. I have no problem paying Logos a fair price. If your fair price differs from theirs, be graceful and walk away. Don't cast aspersions in their forums.

Apologies for this off-topic break. (Where is Blair Newman with that commercial zapper VCR when you need him?). I now return to the regularly scheduled topic: 12 Days of Logos Christmas Special   ( MusicThe music begins...)

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 10:58 AM

Jacob Hantla:

Allen Browne:

Okay, they got me in with day 4.  :-)

Vanhoozer's understanding of postmodernism is great, and there's a lot of contributors in this dictionary's 800+ pages.

(BTW, love the way it added itself to my Hermeneutics collection in L4.)

Day4 got me too. Very appreciative of this one. Thanks!

Day 5 got me too...you guys better stop offering such good books at such good deals or I'm gonna be in trouble. Cool

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 11:08 AM

Jacob Hantla:
you guys better stop offering such good books at such good deals or I'm gonna be in trouble. Cool

Going to be in trouble?  You're lucky.  I already am in trouble.  Hmm

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 11:38 AM

Jacob Hantla:
Day 5 got me too...you guys better stop offering such good books at such good deals or I'm gonna be in trouble.

Bought into day 5 also. And as an added benefit Chapell's course at Covenant Theological Seminary, that is based on the book, is available free on-line:

Christ-Centered Preaching: Preparation and Delivery of Sermons

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Christian Sofussen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 11:58 AM

M. Jones and others

LOL. why is socialism a bad thing? (And don't give me that soviet-union talk. I am very well aware of what was done there and I, as well as most others, know it was horrible, but that doesn't prevent me from being socialist).

besides that. Obama is not a socialist. In my eyes he is a liberal and if you're talking about his healthcare politics, it is definitely not socialist.

And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:07 PM

Christian Sofussen:
why is socialism a bad thing?

With a benevolent Creator in charge it isn't.

Christian Sofussen:

And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion

Agreed!
Now if everybody goes to: http://www.12daysoflogos.com/ and
Buys today's special : Christ-Centered Preaching: Redeeming the Expository Sermon, 2nd ed. http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/CHRCENPRCH and
Uses it, we won't need to debate off-topic subjects.
How is that for getting back on topic? Wink

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:21 PM

Christian Sofussen:

M. Jones and others

LOL. why is socialism a bad thing? (And don't give me that soviet-union talk. I am very well aware of what was done there and I, as well as most others, know it was horrible, but that doesn't prevent me from being socialist).

besides that. Obama is not a socialist. In my eyes he is a liberal and if you're talking about his healthcare politics, it is definitely not socialist.

And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion

Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face.  What's wrong with socialism?  It saps initiative for one thing.  Let's just talk about health care for a moment.  Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free.  Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top.  Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't.  With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates).  Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system.  They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it.  Do you really want Washington controlling your life?  Yuch !

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:50 PM

George Somsel:
Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face.  What's wrong with socialism?  It saps initiative for one thing.  Let's just talk about health care for a moment.  Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free.  Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top.  Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't.  With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates).  Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system.  They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it.  Do you really want Washington controlling your life?  Yuch !

besides, Socialists use interlinear.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:57 PM

Philip Spitzer:
besides, Socialists use interlinear.

Oh no...now you've done it....you've "awakened the sleeping giant"...to borrow a phrase from a situation and nowConfused is likely to result in a similar sized explosion...

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:59 PM

Robert Pavich:

Philip Spitzer:
besides, Socialists use interlinear.

Oh no...now you've done it....you've "awakened the sleeping giant"...to borrow a phrase from a situation and nowConfused is likely to result in a similar sized explosion...

Sorry. The forum is too slow right now and I need a distraction. Come on  George...don't disappoint!

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JM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 2:27 PM

Is today's (Day5) book offering really that good?  Is it truly "the best book on expository preaching"?  Or should I pass and use the money to upgrade to Portfolio?  Wink  I'm still debating whether or not to upgrade...

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 2:28 PM

I've got Chapell's book on my shelf in the dead tree version already.  C'mon tomorrow. 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 2:49 PM

Philip Spitzer:

George Somsel:
Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face.  What's wrong with socialism?  It saps initiative for one thing.  Let's just talk about health care for a moment.  Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free.  Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top.  Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't.  With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates).  Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system.  They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it.  Do you really want Washington controlling your life?  Yuch !

besides, Socialists use interlinear.

You may very well be correct.  I wouldn't put it past them.  They do all sorts of strange things.

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Christian Sofussen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 3:03 PM

George Somsel:
Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face.

Socialism would never slap me, at the most it would tickle me gently with the feather of benevolence.

George Somsel:
Let's just talk about health care for a moment.  Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free.  Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top.  Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't.  With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates).  Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system.  They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it.

I cannot talk on behalf of Britain, France and Canada, but it works pretty well here in Denmark. Free healthcare and insurance through the state (and of course it is paid for over taxes, i'm not in any way disputing that) actually works great. So much even that the most liberal parties are supporting it. we got free education as well. I'm studying theology in the University of Aarhus without paying for anything but books, and i get money from the state as well for studying (§1016,98 a month). 

George Somsel:
Do you really want Washington controlling your life?  Yuch !

Honestly, I won't, but that would imply an american invasion of Denmark, which I don't think is going to happen.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2009 4:33 PM

George Somsel:

Christian Sofussen:

M. Jones and others

LOL. why is socialism a bad thing? (And don't give me that soviet-union talk. I am very well aware of what was done there and I, as well as most others, know it was horrible, but that doesn't prevent me from being socialist).

besides that. Obama is not a socialist. In my eyes he is a liberal and if you're talking about his healthcare politics, it is definitely not socialist.

And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion

 

Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face.  What's wrong with socialism?  It saps initiative for one thing.  Let's just talk about health care for a moment.  Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free.  Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top.  Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't.  With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates).  Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system.  They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it.  Do you really want Washington controlling your life?  Yuch !

Peace to you, George!

                I truly wish you well, George, but you cannot even imagine how offensive your post is.  You truly are, in the proper dictionary sense of the word, ignorant of what is happening in other countries, at least for Canada, a country of many Logos users also.  That is a fact and it is the truth.

                Logos desires to be respected internationally.  I would think that if there were a moderater to these forums that your post would have been removed already.

               George, everytime you post, you quote John Hus, "george gfsomsel … search for truth, hear truth, learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death. - Jan Hus.

                Well, right now you do not speak truth.  Canadians are overwhelmingly appreciative and supportive of our national universal health care.  We may not live as high on the hog as you Americans, but the weakest and poorest, even the homeless, have complete access to our Health Care System that is absolutely equal to that of the richest, most affluent, and most powerful.    That is a fact, George, and you are absolutely saying something that is absolutely untruthful.     May God forgive you.  I really don't think you know what you do.

              Yours in Christ,

                          Mel

 

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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