Question about Luke 24:33-34

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GenesFISHer | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Mar 31 2013 10:08 AM

And they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34 saying, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”

Question about verse 34--When did Jesus appear to Simon prior to his appearance with the 11?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2013 10:19 AM

GenesFISHer:

And they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34 saying, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”

Question about verse 34--When did Jesus appear to Simon prior to his appearance with the 11?

1 Cor. 15:3, 4, 5, 6, 7

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2013 12:18 PM

GenesFISHer:

And they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34 saying, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”

Question about verse 34--When did Jesus appear to Simon prior to his appearance with the 11?

By acceptance of what Paul wrote, 1 Cor 15.5, it would be clear that Peter was given the necessary information that would be needed to open Acts 1 & 2, thus making the Apostles a specialized Apostleship. (cf:here  Luke 24.12 - he went home....).

 

Hope this helps....

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2013 3:43 PM

Hmm

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2013 5:07 PM

David Paul:

Hmm

It's not so much Important as to "when" but the fact that He did, and it is mentioned more that once. So the Biblical evidence stands that Jesus-resurrected, did in fact do.....Please note that if you really did research on the subject, that I fail to see how it could not be, Peter was the one who Spoke in Acts 1/2.....see also: Acts 10:34-43

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2013 6:17 PM

Hmm

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 9:52 AM

David Paul:

Hmm

That's okay David, Not everyone is going to grasp it.................

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 10:58 AM

...quite right.

And not everyone will see the emperor's new clothes.

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 11:22 AM

My question is: When/why/how did the "tradition" of the resurrection that Paul received and recited in 1 Corinthians 15 omit Jesus' initial appearance - i.e., to Mary Magdalene (longer ending of Mark and John) or to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matthew)?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 12:41 PM

That's easy, Eric.

If you ask our not-hopelessly-egalitarian pastor, it's because the John's (Mark and St.) used the Mary's to demonstrate that even hopelessly unreliable witnesses saw Jesus.  If the accounts were 'made up' they would have used respected and dependable witnesses.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 12:53 PM

DMB:

That's easy, Eric.

If you ask our not-hopelessly-egalitarian pastor, it's because the John's (Mark and St.) used the Mary's to demonstrate that even hopelessly unreliable witnesses saw Jesus.  If the accounts were 'made up' they would have used respected and dependable witnesses.

Thank you for reminding me to modify my profile signature.

But I don't think your response answers my question. At best it seems to be supposition/conjecture.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 1:29 PM

Eric ... we both read the same text. It is what it is (as you point out). Everything after that is indeed 'supposition/conjecture'. Not words most ecclesiatical leaders would prefer, but none the less accurate.

My personal 'conjecture' and 'supposition' is that there's more to the story that the gospel writers didn't include ... starting with why two intelligent strong-willed women would bring spices to a sealed tomb, for a body that had already received overwhelming amounts of spices, and after decomposition of 2-3 days (Martha > Lazarus), knowing full well the seal was far beyond their capacity to move, and nasty, smelly badly-behaved, gentile Roman soldiers being camped out there, and that the whole thing was 'unclean' to the max per the Law.  I'd assume they already knew the answer, in contrast to the disciples.

EDIT: Nice change to your profile signature! My belief is that virtually all apologetic proofs fail regarding Jesus with the exception of one: women equal to men relative to the divine.  Revolutionary then; revolutionary now.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 1:39 PM

There's always the prophetic reason...

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 1:50 PM

Eric Weiss:

My question is: When/why/how did the "tradition" of the resurrection that Paul received and recited in 1 Corinthians 15 omit Jesus' initial appearance - i.e., to Mary Magdalene (longer ending of Mark and John) or to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matthew)?

DMB:

That's easy, Eric.

If you ask our not-hopelessly-egalitarian pastor, it's because the John's (Mark and St.) used the Mary's to demonstrate that even hopelessly unreliable witnesses saw Jesus.  If the accounts were 'made up' they would have used respected and dependable witnesses.

You can start in Acts 5:33-42...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 2:15 PM

Probably you already have. Done.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 2:58 PM

David Paul:

There's always the prophetic reason...

Please elaborate. I'll go pop some popcorn.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 3:08 PM

Josh:

David Paul:

There's always the prophetic reason...

Please elaborate. I'll go pop some popcorn.

Yes, Please do, I have been wondering the same myself since it was written.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 3:29 PM

David Paul:

...quite right.

And not everyone will see the emperor's new clothes.

Absolutely correct.

I remember one frosty morning, I was in the stand about an hour before sunrise, I sat there wondering how icey the morning was going to be due to the weather report. I knew that it would be a bright and shiny morning, it always is when there is frost and the sun comes up, little did I know that this particular morning was going to be different. As I waited in the wee hours of the morning I started to meditate on the Glories of Heaven and the Brightness of the Throne, the possibility of seeing God in the Holiest of Holies as His Glory is Radiating amonst the Heavens.....

The sun rose, the ice and frost crystalized beyond my wildest expectations - it was so bright that I had to shield my eyes till well after the sun had risen. The frost from the night had crystalized around every branch and every twig and every still clinging leaflet, the temperature had dropped to well below freezing and created a most Glorious sight......

So much so that when the Brilliance of the sun crested over the mountaintop that the magnification was more than the naked eye could even fathom to Behold. The Brightness lite the valley all the way up and past where I was perched, the Illumination was so immense that from the moment that the sun started to be filtered thru the crystals that each reflection had gotten Brighter and more Radiant, again to the point that I had to shield my eye's for fear of being blinded from this splendid spectacle.

I turned on stand hoping to gain some relief, but the illumination was so permeating that there was no shadow wherein which I could find comfort or relief, it penetrated all around.

When I did eventually get relief and realizing that no animal was even stirring about, I came down the mountain, all the while in travel contemplating and meditating on what I was allowed to view. I can only fathom the Beauty that awaits us..........

So yes, some get to see the Emperor's new clothes.......

 

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 4:16 PM

Josh:

David Paul:

There's always the prophetic reason...

Please elaborate. I'll go pop some popcorn.

It has to do with the timing of the resurrection and the amount of time he was in the grave. You can search it out yourself, if you know what to look for.

My point is, Denise's "hmmms" about the motivations of the women has less to with them and more to do with YHWH's purpose.

R4M has eyes to see...so he says...get him to explain it to you.

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2013 4:56 PM

Room4more:

Eric Weiss:

My question is: When/why/how did the "tradition" of the resurrection that Paul received and recited in 1 Corinthians 15 omit Jesus' initial appearance - i.e., to Mary Magdalene (longer ending of Mark and John) or to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matthew)?

DMB:

That's easy, Eric.

If you ask our not-hopelessly-egalitarian pastor, it's because the John's (Mark and St.) used the Mary's to demonstrate that even hopelessly unreliable witnesses saw Jesus.  If the accounts were 'made up' they would have used respected and dependable witnesses.

You can start in Acts 5:33-42...

i have no idea what that passage in Acts has to do with Paul omitting the appearance to the woman/women as Christ's first resurrection appearance.

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