Best commentary / resources for 1st Timothy

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Jeremy White | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 3 2013 10:13 PM

Would like some opinions from you all about which resources are worth having from the Logos stable of options that comment specifically on 1st Timothy.

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David P. Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 3 2013 11:17 PM

Hi Jeremy, take a look at: http://www.bestcommentaries.com/pastoral-epistles/ 

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David P. Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 3 2013 11:24 PM

Also see the Denver Seminary recommendations here (for commentaries) (: http://topics.logos.com/Denver_Seminary_NT_Exegesis_Bibliography

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 12:02 AM

I've had the ICC volume. Read the intro and it was good. Couldn't afford to keep it.
It was on a sale in the Spring.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 12:02 AM

David P. Moore:

Also see the Denver Seminary recommendations here (for commentaries) (: http://topics.logos.com/Denver_Seminary_NT_Exegesis_Bibliography

Broken link for the moment, but not your fault. The link is correct, however topics.logos.com appears to be down at the time being. I've reported it.

In the meantime, you can find that bibliography as a Word document here: NT2013_1_0.docx

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 1:45 AM

David P. Moore:

Also see the Denver Seminary recommendations here (for commentaries) (: http://topics.logos.com/Denver_Seminary_NT_Exegesis_Bibliography

I'm so glad to see topics.logos.com being used like this.

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Ergatees | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 5:12 AM
Happy Fourth of July to you and to all. Celebrating here with buttermilk pancakes and sausage Yum. Rosie, thanks for the list I was able to copy the whole thing and pasted into an Evernote note. Ergatees
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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 5:16 AM

Joseph Turner collected all the Logos-resource references and compiled this list back in December, see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/62608.aspx 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 6:09 AM

It does depend on the type of commentary that you want, of course. I'm preaching through 1 Timothy at the moment, and am finding John Stott's BST contribution very helpful.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 8:11 AM

Technical: ICC by Marshall; NIGTC, Knight; WBC, Mounce

Non-technical but scholarly: Black's NTC, Kelly; NICNT, Towner

Lay-oriented: TNTC, Guthrie; NAC, Lea

Expository: BST, Stott

Somewhere in-between: Understanding the Bible, Fee

All of the above are good but in different ways for different needs. When recently teaching through the Pastorals in our adult Sunday AM classes I supplied our teachers with Fee. He is quite good.

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 9:15 AM

Great recommendations Mark. I agree.

I would add:  http://www.logos.com/product/16437/the-pastoral-epistles-for-pastors

I have been teaching a Sunday School class through the Pastoral Epistles for over a year. I have used a resource that is in all base packages as my base:  Rick Brannan, Parallel Passages in the Pastoral Epistles. Great resource.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 10:08 AM

Mark & Edwin: I just wrote a review about another commentary by I. Howard Marshall: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-10/#post63492725

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 12:37 PM

NB.Mick:

Joseph Turner collected all the Logos-resource references and compiled this list back in December, see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/62608.aspx 

Yes, that's the file I posted above -- his most recent edition of it. And it's the same as what David Moore linked to on the topics.logos.com site, which is now back up and running: http://topics.logos.com/Denver_Seminary_NT_Exegesis_Bibliography 

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Jeremy White | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 3:18 PM

Thank you all for the suggestions / recommendations and links. Very helpful :)

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 4:50 PM

Unix:

Mark & Edwin: I just wrote a review about another commentary by I. Howard Marshall: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-10/#post63492725

I'm lost on what review is being provided.  I went to the link you have posted (amidst all the commercialization, including all the non-Logos software), but I could not find a review on the Logos site regarding the resource you mention.

??

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 7:05 PM

Steve:

Unix:

Mark & Edwin: I just wrote a review about another commentary by I. Howard Marshall: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-10/#post63492725

I'm lost on what review is being provided.  I went to the link you have posted (amidst all the commercialization, including all the non-Logos software), but I could not find a review on the Logos site regarding the resource you mention.

??

The only "Review" I found were some brief comments on a commentary on Philippians.  I guess he must've posted the wrong link.

DAL

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Rick Brannan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 4 2013 8:27 PM

Mark Smith gives a good breakdown above. Here is my ranking (of those I've read) within his categories.

Techinical

  1. Marshall's ICC volume.
  2. Mounce's WBC volume
  3. Knight's NIGTC volume.

Knight is good, but a little dry. Marshall is hands-down the best. Mounce is great primarily due to WBC's format, which makes is a flexible commentary useful for text-critical and exegetical work. Avoid Conzelmann's Hermeneia volume. It is dated; it really needs a replacement in that series.

Non-technical but scholarly

  1. Towner's NICNT volume.
  2. L.T. Johnson, Anchor-Yale Bible Commentary (1&2 Timothy). Johnson is the best source especially for greco-roman stuff and fathers stuff.
  3. Black's NTC.

Lay-oriented

  1. Guthrie's TCNT is excellent.
  2. Ellingworth & Hatton's UBS Handbook volume is helpful.

If you can provide more information on your purpose (preaching? personal study? research project?) I might be able to make a more targeted recommendation. For general use and one volume, I'd probably recommend Towner or Mounce; Marshall gets a little heavy (though he is really, really good).

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 5 2013 2:28 AM

Marshall also authored the ICC Pastorals volume! I was comparing what else he has written and I don't think I was unclear.
(The review was short because I don't think people have time to read long ones because they might be tired on that
it's always just me posting in that thread!.)

If anyone has a review of a practical commentary to add, please post in that thread!:

Steve:
I'm lost on what review is being provided.  I went to the link you have posted (amidst all the commercialization, including all the non-Logos software), but I could not find a review on the Logos site regarding the resource you mention:
Unix:
Mark & Edwin: I just wrote a review about another commentary by I. Howard Marshall: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-10/#post63492725


I'm going to edit the Christianforums post and make the review longer when I have read the volume twice!:

DAL:
The only "Review" I found were some brief comments on a commentary on Philippians.

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Jeremy White | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 5 2013 1:22 PM

Rick Brannan:

If you can provide more information on your purpose (preaching? personal study? research project?)

A little bit of all three so getting recommendations as to best ones in each class is what I was after. The best commentaries site is useful but personal comments are even better.

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Kelvin Niblett | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 5 2013 9:44 PM

DA Carson  "New Testament commentary survey-sixth edition" has some useful insights regarding the selection of a commentary, especially when it comes to the pastoral epistles.

 

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