Why "Send to Kindle" Must be a Priority

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2013 6:26 AM

This morning as I was going over the July Sales to see if there was any books I was interested in I found myself immediately checking Amazon to see if the Kindle version was less expensive. A year ago I would not have found myself doing this, but now that the Kindle Paper White has come out I find all other reading methods so vastly inferior (including paper books) that I have a difficult time justifying purchasing any book that can't be read on my Kindle.

This is a huge change in behavior for me. I use to go out of my way to purchase Logos books (even paying more) for the convenience of having all of them in one Library System. But for many types of book the advantages the Logos system offers are not worth reading on a computer screen or iPad.

The Kindle Paper White is a real game changer, my old 2nd generation Kindle merely made me favorable inclined towards the "Send to Kindle" feature, now it has become a must have feature. Until Logos offers it, I am afraid I will be purchasing more and more of my ebooks from Amazon rather than Logos.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 6:40 AM

Uh oh. I've been calling it a 'PageWhite'?  Well, in my defense, there's no hint on it what it name really is.  No wonder I got a query on it.

But goodness is Keith correct. Just yesterday I skipped a shipping pre-pub in favor of a couple of Kindle titles (both Logos oriented, though not currently in Logos). But the reading experience is just the best. Yesterday we were getting our annual physicals, and of course you're stuck waiting in the little empty room with the magazines a couple of years out of date. Open the Paper White. 

I notice yesterday Amazon hit their quarterly sales targets but not earnings. But the CEO said the majority of their sales(?) now are through the Kindle line (hardware plus books).  

The world is changing so quickly.

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Sleiman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 6:51 AM

Keith Larson:
Does anyone else feel the same way?
I also think this would be a game changer for me, albeit in a different way. I don't currently own an e-ink reader like Kindle Paperwhite. If Logos implements the "send to kindle" feature, this will surely convince me to purchase one, because I also don't like reading on an iPad that much.

However, once I have my paperwhite and start getting used to reading on it, this might happen:

If there's a book that's offered in the kindle store at a cheaper price than logos; now with my kindle, I may just chose to purchase the kindle version. Why buy it in Logos and then send it to my kindle when I can purchase from kindle directly?

Of course there are at least two good reasons:

  1. If it's full of references to other works and tags
  2. If I need it to be integrated with the rest of my library (a biggy for me)

But even with the above two reasons, Kindle will certainly make me compare Kindle prices with Logos more often now, perhaps eventually buying more from kindle store than I currently do now.

Or maybe it will help me read more, period. Thus buying more from Logos and kindle! In any case, I'm excited about this feature.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 7:21 AM

Now if we can somehow convince Amazon to add a feature to Kindle and Kindle apps to pop up scripture text when tapping on Bible references, life will be good (for us users).

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Sleiman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 7:23 AM

PL:
Now if we can somehow convince Amazon to add a feature to Kindle and Kindle apps to pop up scripture text when tapping on Bible references, life will be good (for us users).
Yes but Logos (as a business) would probably not like that too much.

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Rustamania | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 10:38 AM

I am in the same situation and I agree. 

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 10:40 AM

I dont think Logos is afraid of losing sales to Amazon for its core products. However, Vyrso is a different story, especially with all the Kindle deals that go on every day. I have so many books to read on the Paperwhite but I have managed to read more books on it than I did on my iPad and Nexus 7.

Here is my rationale:

I would pay a premium for Logos books that can be sent to Kindle in most cases. Not considering commentaries and so forth, even a book like Exegetical Fallacies, or any of the Biblical Theology books make sense on the Logos platform than on the Amazon platform. But, if Logos gives me the option to send that book to my Kindle e-reader, there is a greater chance that I will read it rather than treat it as a reference.

PS: How many here would pay for a Logos ereader? Probably running a custom version of Android. I would :)

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 10:51 AM

Geo Philips:
PS: How many here would pay for a Logos ereader? Probably running a custom version of Android. I would :)

Shh..   We might just get it for free. They have provided all the apps for free so far. There is no need to start paying, is there?  I would love to have a send-to-Kindle option.

The only problem I have with buying books for the Kindle is if Logos ever does get the send-to-Kindle feature I will already have all my books in my Logos library as well. Those who buy strictly for Kindle will never have that book in Logos without paying twice. I want to have all my books in one library yet on many devices.

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 10:59 AM

Ha. I would love the send-to-Kindle option as well.

I was just dreaming of an ereader where you would not have to 'Send to Kindle.' The Logos ereader. All your library available to read, at any time, any place. 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 5:15 PM

Geo Philips:
I was just dreaming of an ereader where you would not have to 'Send to Kindle.' The Logos ereader. All your library available to read, at any time, any place. 

Where do I get one? Wink

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 5:23 PM

Maybe we can pitch it to Logos, make a prototype and then put it up on Kickstarter. Hehe

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CL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 7:27 PM

This feature would be fantastic. There are some books I'd like to read and not be in research mode on my computer. Periodically, I take out my kindle for more casual reading. Having the ability to transfer Logos books onto my Kindle would be a definite step in the right direction.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 7:34 PM

Geo Philips:

Ha. I would love the send-to-Kindle option as well.

I was just dreaming of an ereader where you would not have to 'Send to Kindle.' The Logos ereader. All your library available to read, at any time, any place. 

I must be missing something.... doesn't the ipad do this now?

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John | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 26 2013 8:08 PM

Keith Larson:

But for many types of book the advantages the Logos system offers are not worth reading on a computer screen or iPad.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

Yes I sure do. I just recently got a Nook with E-ink display. Got a great price on it. I find myself reading books on it like I never did on my android color tablet. The screen is just so perfect for reading. And you never have to worry about battery life. Never looked at a Paper White display but I am guessing it is probably fantastic.

Looking back at what the "Library" system was originally was the idea that a search could be performed easily on an entire library of books. But the true and hidden purpose of the Library software was the encryption/decryption of books. Having a single "reader" program and platform made it easier to maintain control of decryption keys etc.

Being able to search a "Library" today is a way overblown claim. If you had all the books in PDF format, Windows 7 or higher would automatically index them and allow you to perform instant searches on the text of the books.

The human brain is where God intended for the "library of information" to be stored. And decryption required is done by the Holy Spirit. The way it works is to simply input the information by reading. Index it by thinking, meditation and prayer. And then when you have a question, the results are available instantly before you even have time to ask the question.

Living in the digital age, many of us are tempted to believe that a device or software system can really do much more for us than a pile of books, a notepad and a few pens can do. But can it really? How much can a pile of books really do you if you never actually read any of them?

Does the computer really revolutionize Bible study? Or does it just add the possibility of artificially placing a large number of references in the hands of a person who has never read any of them and doesn't really understand much of the depth of the content that produced them?

I have several Bible software packages, a huge bookshelf full of printed books, and a small but growing collection of ebooks. And it doesn't bother me that there is some overlap. To sit down and read a book is a far more educational experience than having it in a library when I do a search. At least this has been my experience. Books are intended to be read.

The number of public domain and free books is astonishing. The hardest part is sorting through them all. For no money whatsoever, a person cvan take e-sword with all free resources, and put together a better Bible study setup than Logos provides in the high end library range.

Logos is now displaying books on android, ipad and various other platforms. In my opinion, this move was absolutely critical for the companies survival. Being stuck solely on the PC platform(Like Bibleworks is) would be a handicap that would eventually make the company irrelevant. A "Send to Kindle" feature would further push in this direction. If people know they can read a Logos book on any of their other devices, such as eReaders, they are more likely to continue to add books to a Logos Library.

It will be interesting to see where Bibleworks goes now that the Microsoft Tablets have flopped. They had always refused to adapt to other platforms, believing that portable devices would eventually grow in power and be running full blown Windows. Even their Mac version is just a Windows Emulator package. Now that Windows 8 has flopped along with the Surface tablet, it is clear that the future is more cloud based and not dependent upon particular hardware or operating system. And whatever standards might emerge, Microsoft is no longer in control of them. Windows 8 was their last great attempt to leverage their Windows/PC monopoly position to force something onto consumers. Not likely they will have much influence after this.

Logos made the right moves with portable devices. Unfortunately they don't seem to be able to write very good PC software. I predict in the long run, Logos will survive in spite of its PC software being so unstable and full of bugs. Because I can read My Logos books on my iPad, Android tablet, or E-reader. The company that makes its resources available on the latest and best hardware will always have an advantage over the company that sits back and does nothing.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 27 2013 6:26 AM

Mike Tourangeau:

I must be missing something.... doesn't the ipad do this now?

I sounds like you have! There is no comparing the reading experience between a color tablet like an iPad to a true e-ink reader like the Kindle or Nook. The latest versions of both, the PaperWhite for Kindle and the Nook Glowlight, move the bar even higher. Once you start using them it is hard to go back. I hardly every even turn on my iPad any longer. Once Logos offers the "Send to Kindle" feature I am going to sell my iPad in a heart beat.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 27 2013 7:05 AM

Keith Larson:

Mike Tourangeau:

I must be missing something.... doesn't the ipad do this now?

I sounds like you have! There is no comparing the reading experience between a color tablet like an iPad to a true e-ink reader like the Kindle or Nook. The latest versions of both, the PaperWhite for Kindle and the Nook Glowlight, move the bar even higher. Once you start using them it is hard to go back. I hardly every even turn on my iPad any longer. Once Logos offers the "Send to Kindle" feature I am going to sell my iPad in a heart beat.

I am on holiday in MB right now and I am trying to read on my iPad in sunlight, it is a challenge.... I read that this would be solved with a kindle. I'm in....

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 27 2013 7:08 AM

The Kindle is pretty awesome in sunlight!

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 27 2013 7:11 AM

One thing the iPad does well is within the Logos app you can still click links to other resources.... I don't think this would be a feature on a kindle. I could be wrong

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 27 2013 7:19 AM

You're not wrong, Mike. The Kindle and similar are eReaders. No more; no less. But the simplicity of use, eyes, and so forth is the value-added.

At the doctor's office I had my PaperWhite, my spouse the Nexus7. But then we forgot to bring the wifi. The PaperWhite was happy. And the Nexus7 remained in the car.  That's not to say the Nexus7 could not have downloaded some books etc. and have done far more than the eReader. 

It's more just ease of use. I think that's why people want 'both' (Logos5, mobile versions, Kindle/Nook).

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 27 2013 7:19 AM

No, you are right Mike. The Kindle device is meant to a be a digital counterpart to a book. AS such, the best digital features you get within books are limited to dictionary lookup, jumping to footnotes, and searching for a highlighted word or phrase on Google, Wikipedia or the Amazon store. Of course, highlights and bookmarks are saved across devices too.

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