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William | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Aug 9 2013 2:16 AM

I am considering tagging all my books for putting them in collections.   I want to know if this is a good idea or is it just more work that is not really needed. 

 

I see community tags and am wondering if there is some extra sorting that can happen with "quality" tags.  For example Commentary; Expositional  or Commentary; Exegetical.  or expositionalcommmentary

 

I have purchased a number of "Lutheran" books that I would like to search.  I am not sure how to search as each book is very different.  commentary, dogmatics, luther works.  etc. 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 2:59 AM

It is okay to tag the books to your liking and then make collections. Tell what is the result when you are finished.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:11 AM

William Bingham:
I am considering tagging all my books for putting them in collections.   I want to know if this is a good idea or is it just more work that is not really needed. 

Personally, I tag resources/put them into collections, only when I need the collection. Otherwise it takes hours, and it won't be quite what you need. I haven't found the community tags accurate/complete enough for me to build collections around (although sometimes they're useful to search on to see if I've missed anything).

So If I needed to search all my commentaries on Matthew, for a reference to a particular passage in Isaiah, I would then create a collection for commentaries on Matthew (which is quite easy to do from the Collections tool, nowadays).

That said, it's worth tagging all your commentaries as Exegetical/Expositional etc. This tagging is worth doing IMO, as it allowed me to dividing my commentaries into sections, and create a custom passage guide. This is a real timesaver, as I usually know consult different types of commentaries at different points in my studies. My PG might have too many sections for you, I'd usually recommend five sections, like this: http://www.logosbiblesoftwaretraining.com/documents/suggested-commentary-tags/

The Unclassified section at the bottom is to alert me to new commentaries I haven't tagged yet. It's a collection that includes all commentaries, and then excludes each of the other collections.

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:20 AM

Mark Barnes:

The Unclassified section at the bottom is to alert me to new commentaries I haven't tagged yet. It's a collection that includes all commentaries, and then excludes each of the other collections.

Hi Mark, could you kindly post the collection rule that throws up your "unclassified" commentaries?  I'd love to add this to my personal PG too.  Thanks. Yes

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:22 AM

Paul-C:

Hi Mark, could you kindly post the collection rule that throws up your "unclassified" commentaries?  I'd love to add this to my personal PG too.

It's very simple Smile:

It doesn't normally have any commentaries in it, but I just bought the Classic Commentaries Collection, and I'm now behind with my tagging!

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:25 AM

Mark Barnes:

It's very simple Smile:

...just like me! Big Smile

Thanks.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:30 AM

William Bingham:

I see community tags and am wondering if there is some extra sorting that can happen with "quality" tags.  For example Commentary; Expositional  or Commentary; Exegetical.  or expositionalcommmentary

Yes - many people do this. Some use rules from http://wiki.logos.com/Example_Collections and tag all resources accordingly, others tag individually and subsequently build collection rules around mytag:XXXXX

William Bingham:

I have purchased a number of "Lutheran" books that I would like to search.  I am not sure how to search as each book is very different.  commentary, dogmatics, luther works.  etc. 

One idea for a Lutheran collection would be the rule (copy it & paste into the collection rule field):

Author:(“Aageson, James W.”, “Adam, Klaus-Peter”, “Aden, LeRoy H.”, “Albrecht, G. Jerome”, “Albrecht, Michael J.”, “Arand, Charles P.”, “Arndt, Johann”, “Aus, Roger David”, “Balge, Richard D.”, “Bartusch, Mark Walter”, “Becker, Matthew L.”, “Bergmann, Sigurd”, “Bohlmann, Ralph A.”, “Bonhoeffer, Dietrich”, “Bornkamm, Heinrich”, “Braun, John A.”, “Braun, Mark”, “Brighton, Louis”, “Brown, Christopher Boyd”, “Brug, John F.”, “Bultmann, Rudolf K.”, “Chemnitz, Martin”, “Childs, James M.”, “Choi, Agnes”, “Croy, N. Clayton”, “Dahle, Lars Nielsen”, “Danker, Frederick W.”, “Delitzsch, Franz”, “Deterding, Paul”, “DiTommaso, Lorenzo”, “Dorner, Isaak August”, “Ehlke, Roland Cap”, “Eickmann, Paul E.”, “Elert, Werner”, “Elliott, John H.”, “Engelbrecht, Edward A.”, “Erickson, Richard J.”, “Franzmann, Martin H.”, “Gard, Daniel L.”, “Gench, Frances Taylor”, “Gerberding, George”, “Gerhard, Johann”, “Gibbs, Jeffrey A.”, “Giertz, Bo”, “Gosdeck, David M.”, “Grenholm, Cristina”, “Gritsch, Eric W.”, “Hagglund, Bengt”, “Hahn, Ernest”, “Hals, Ronald”, “Harrisville, Roy A.”, “Harstad, Adolph L.”, “Hartman, Lars”, “Hartzell, Eric S.”, “Hedahl, Susan K.”, “Heider, George C.”, “Hengel, Martin”, “Hengstenberg, Ernst Wilhelm”, “Hinlicky, Paul R.”, “Hoerber, Robert G.”, “Honsey, Rudolph E.”, “Hughes, Robert G.”, “Hultgren, Arland J.”, “Hummel, Horace D.”, “Huwiler, Elizabeth”, “Hvalvik, Reidar”, “Jacobson, Rolf A.”, “Jensen, Richard A.”, “Jeremias, Joachim”, “Jeske, John C.”, “Jeske, Mark A.”, “Johnson, Thomas F.”, “Juel, Donald H.”, “Jungel, Eberhard”, “Just, Arthur A.”, “Keil, Karl Friedrich”, “Kierkegaard, Soren”, “Kittelson, James M.”, “Klein, Ralph W.”, “Kleinig, John W.”, “Koehler, Edward W. A.”, “Koehler, John Philip”, “Koenig, John”, “Kolb, Erwin J.”, “Kolb, Robert”, “Krentz, Edgar”, “Krodel, Gerhard A.”, “Kuschel, Harlyn J.”, “Kuschel, Kieth Bernard”, “Kuske, David P.”, “Kuske, Paul W.”, “Kysar, Robert”, “Labahn, Michael”, “Lathrop, Gordon W.”, “Lauersdorf, Richard E.”, “Lawrenz, John C.”, “Lehmann, Helmut T.”, “Lenski, R. C. H.”, “Lenz, Mark J.”, “Lessing, R. Reed”, “Leupold, H. C.”, “Limburg, James”, “Linman, Jonathan”, “Lochhaas, Philip H.”, “Lockwood, Gregory J.”, “Lundbom, Jack R.”, “Luther, Martin”, “Lutheran Church”, “Lutheran Synod”, “Mann, William Julius”, “Martin R. A.”, “Mather, George A.”, “Maxey, James A.”, “McCain, Paul T.”, “Melancthon, Philip”, “Meyer, Joh P.”, “Michel, Walter L.”, “Michie, Donald”, “Mitchell, Christopher”, “Mittelstaedt, John R.”, “Mueller, John Theodore”, “Myers, Jacob M.”, “Nestingen, James A.”, “Nichols, Larry A.”, “Nieman, James R.”, “Nordling, John”, “Oakman, Douglas E.”, “Pannenberg, Wolfhart”, “Panning, Armin J.”, “Pieper, Francis”, “Powell, Mark Allen”, “Prange, Victor H.”, “Preus, Robert D.”, “Quivik, Melinda A.”, “Raabe, Paul R.”, “Reitschel, William C.”, “Remensnyder, Junius B.”, “Reumann, John H. P.”, “Rhoads, David”, “Richard, James W.”, “Roehrs, Walter R.”, “Ruge-Jones, Philip”, “Saarinen, Risto”, “Santmire, H. Paul”, “Scaer, David P.”, “Schaller, John”, “Schmidt, Andreas”, “Schmit, Clayton J.”, “Schramm, Brooks”, “Schmucker, Samuel”, “Schuetze, Armin W.”, “Seiss, J. A.”, “Senn, Frank C.”, “Skarsaune, Oskar”, “Smith, Robert H.”, “Solvang, Elna K.”, “Spaude, Cyril W.”, “Spener, Philip Jacob”, “Spitz, Lewis W.”, “Steinmann, Andrew E.”, “Stendahl, Krister”, “Stephenson, John R.”, “Stevens, Marty E.”, “Stjerna, Kirsi I.”, “Stob, William S.”, “Streufert, Mary J.”, “Tappert, Theodore G.”, “Taylor, Walter F.”, “Tiede, David L.”, “Toppe, Carleton”, “Torvend, Samuel”, “Valentine, Milton”, “Valleskey, David J.”, “Veith, Gene Edward”, “von Harnack, Adolf”, “von Mosheim, John Laurence”, “Walther, C. F. W.”, “Wendland, Ernst H.”, “Wendland, Paul O.”, “Wengert, Timothy J.”, “Wenthe, Dean O.”, “Westendorf, James J.”, “Wicke, Harold E.”, “Wilch, John R.”, “Wolfgramm, Arno J.”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Lutheran”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

This is from this thread http://community.logos.com/forums/t/54491.aspx - towards the end of it you will find an excel-sheet with a rule generator, but you may as well join a faithlife group and simply synce the rules over to your machine. You could always move individual books into the collection - or tag them and append OR mytag:Lutheran to the rule.  

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:31 AM

Mark, I'm struggling to drag the collections to exclude from this unclassified collection rule to the minus box.  How do you do this?


Idea Worked it out. Idea

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:51 AM

Paul-C:
Mark, I'm struggling to drag the collections to exclude from this unclassified collection rule to the minus box.  How do you do this?

You drag them from the Open menu in the collections tool (which is rather counter intuitive, I know).

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 3:53 AM

Paul-C:
Mark, I'm struggling to drag the collections to exclude from this unclassified collection rule to the minus box.  How do you do this?

You drag them from the Open menu in the collections tool (which is rather counter intuitive, I know).

Paul-C:

Idea Worked it out. Idea

Well done! I left my reply in, as I'm sure you're not the only one!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 10 2013 4:41 PM

William Bingham:
I am considering tagging all my books for putting them in collections.   I want to know if this is a good idea or is it just more work that is not really needed. 

I tagged all my resources this past spring and it has been very useful. I would highly recommend that you take time to carefully choose the categories you want to use before beginning. I took quite some time to do this before I began and it was good advice that I heeded.

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J Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 11 2013 5:25 AM

I have a question about tags, why is it that with multiple word tags people ether hyphenate or make no space in-between words? Is it for search purposes?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 11 2013 5:38 AM

J Hale:
I have a question about tags, why is it that with multiple word tags people ether hyphenate or make no space in-between words? Is it for search purposes?

Yes - my reason for doing it is to avoid having to use "" around search terms.

So, for example, in the screenshot below I am searching for those books tagged with "fiction book" and I only have one (created for this example)

If I omit the "" then I get hits for resources tagged with either "fiction" or "book"

So not using spaces removes the need for the quotes.

Graham

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 11 2013 7:09 AM

I'm a tagger. I have 5 collections but I don't remember why.

Obviously tagging can create a host of structured categories as described above. But only a single level is do-able (unlike a file manager).

But you can ALSO rename the titles of the resources for additional sort levels WITHIN the tagged categories.

I do 3 types of renaming:

  - On commentaries and Bible book oriented resources, I put a book number on the front of the title (eg Genesis = 01; Rev = 66).
     Apocrypha 67, etc. That way in a series, they're always in order, plus outside a series, they're grouped by book (eg all my
     Genesis commentaries). Also on a tab, I can easily see which commentary books are open.

  - On lexicons, grammers, etc, a short abbreviation in the title cleans up the sort, plus works better in the right-click resources listings.

  - On Bible translations, I put short abbreviations in the Title to group them in the menu dropdowns, and also verse comparisons.
     So for example, I put 'KJV' on my various historical KJV-based Bibles to easily see wording evolution. Ditto on latin based, etc.


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Reimar Vetne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 11 2013 7:59 AM

Bruce Dunning:
I tagged all my resources this past spring and it has been very useful. I would highly recommend that you take time to carefully choose the categories you want to use before beginning. I took quite some time to do this before I began and it was good advice that I heeded.

I am with Bruce. I tagged ALL my books last year. It took a LONG time, but I am very happy that I did. I got to know my library much better, and I now have much better control over my resources and can find what I need much faster. Plan well, as Bruce said. Make sure you have the right categories that are useful for you before you begin.

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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 12 2013 4:54 AM

Denise:
But you can ALSO rename the titles of the resources for additional sort levels WITHIN the tagged categories.

Denise, where and how do you rename resource titles?

Thanks in advance.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 12 2013 6:39 AM

In your library panel, if you click in the Info button at the top, and then select a book, the first line (title) has a little pencil to click on, allowing edits.


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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 12 2013 7:29 AM

Wow, lots of goodies in there!  Thanks!

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Mary-Ellen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 12 2013 2:00 PM

Denise:
- On commentaries and Bible book oriented resources, I put a book number on the front of the title (eg Genesis = 01; Rev = 66).
     Apocrypha 67, etc. That way in a series, they're always in order, plus outside a series, they're grouped by book (eg all my
     Genesis commentaries). Also on a tab, I can easily see which commentary books are open.

Denise, what do you do about resources that relate to more than one book, especially if they are not sequential?  Thanks for your thoughts.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 12 2013 2:08 PM

6332.My Tagging System for Logos.docx

For those who might be interested this is the tagging system I currently use. It is continually developing. Mary-Ellen, my Bible book numbers are included in this document. As far as handling books that refer to multiple books simply add more tags.

Whatever system it is important to be careful to be consistent.

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