Bug: Bibliography document inconsistently includes page numbers
When you add resources to the favorites panel, a simple rule is in place:
- If you add resources from the library, a link to the resource is added.
- If you add open resources, a link to the resource at the current opened position is added.
That same rule normally applies to resources added to bibliography documents, too. However, there's a bug whereby sometimes the last opened position is added to items in a bibliography document, even when you add that resource from your library. I've not been able to determine what triggers this bug. The actual page number may not actually be the right one, either. I've had a resource last open at pg 313, but when I added it to a bibliography document from my library it created a reference to pages 294-301.
There is also a bug whereby dragging tabs to a bibliography document doesn't always create the page numbers. For example, dragging pg 307 of Conzelmann's commentary on 1 Corinthians doesn't create the page numbers, but dragging page 296 does.
A third problem affects resources that have a headword index but not page numbers, such as Easton's Bible Dictionary. It would make sense in this case to include the name of the article in the bibliography document, but that doesn't happen. Resources that have Bible references but not page numbers, such as Jamieson Fausset & Brown do this already.
The favorites rules work really well, and the lack of consistency in bibliographic documents is really quite frustrating.
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Mark Barnes said:
sometimes the last opened position is added to items in a bibliography document,
I can replicate this and have created a case to investigate.
Mark Barnes said:dragging tabs to a bibliography document doesn't always create the page numbers. For example, dragging pg 307 of Conzelmann's commentary on 1 Corinthians doesn't create the page numbers, but dragging page 296 does.
Both examples had page numbers when I tested this, I'm not sure why you aren't getting them.
Mark Barnes said:Easton's Bible Dictionary. It would make sense in this case to include the name of the article in the bibliography document, but that doesn't happen.
From a little bit of searching, I believe not including the article name is per APA guidelines on citing a dictionary. The better solution for these cases would be to add to Favorites, since that does not have to conform to a citation style as the Bibliography does.
Mark Barnes said:The favorites rules work really well, and the lack of consistency in bibliographic documents is really quite frustrating.
As far as I can tell, those rules are the intended behavior, except when overridden by the citation style/indexing (i.e. it would show current location, but the resource is not indexed by page or that resource type's location is not included in APA style, etc).
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Dylan Rondeau said:
From a little bit of searching, I believe not including the article name is per APA guidelines on citing a dictionary.
That's correct for some citation styles, but not all of them. Most citation styles cite the article name when the resource supports article citations. What I'm suggesting is that resources that don't support article citations still have the article name cited, but omit the author.
Dylan Rondeau said:Both examples had page numbers when I tested this, I'm not sure why you aren't getting them.
I think I can give you reproducible steps. This is for Conzelmann on 1 Corinthians, but will probably work on any book with page number and bible datatypes:
- Go to 1 Corinthians 3, by typing 1 Cor 3 into the reference box. Drag to bibliography. This works OK (pp 71-80).
- Go to page 307, by typing pg 307 in the reference box. Drag to bibliography. This works OK.
- Go to 1 Corinthians 12, by typing 1 Cor 12 into the reference box. Drag to bibliography. This works OK (pp 204-215).
- Go to page 307, by dragging the scroll bar indicator down. (It doesn't have to be exactly pg 307, just anywhere after the commentary text has finished). This fails (i.e. it doesn't include a page number).
In other words, I think it fails when the active data type is Bible, but then you scroll to a section that doesn't have that datatype.
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Mark Barnes said:
I think I can give you reproducible steps.
I was indeed able to reproduce this. I've created a case and linked to this thread.
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Dylan Rondeau said:Mark Barnes said:
sometimes the last opened position is added to items in a bibliography document,
I can replicate this and have created a case to investigate.
This will be fixed in 5.2 Beta 3.
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Dylan Rondeau said:
I was indeed able to reproduce this. I've created a case and linked to this thread.
This will be fixed in 5.2 RC 1.
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