Hymn loving? Non-lectionary user? Please help MJ - she'll greatly appreciate it.

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405
edited November 20 in English Forum

On Vyrso, Logos offers Devotions for Advent: Meditations Based on Best-Loved Hymns.  While I'd make some different choices for Advent hymns, this collection of 30 meditations provides a good opportunity to show some of the power (and shortcomings) of the Logos implementation of lectionaries.

Here is an example of a lectionary that will take you to the to the resource:

On the home page it appears as:

Unfortunately, this does not show the meditation link - the subject of a suggestion.

If you would please download this file, compile it as a PB with the type lectionary, give it the highest priority of your lectionaries, and then provide feedback re: usefulness, suggestions, objections ....

5282.Companion lectionary for Robert J Morgan.docx

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, but I'm not sure what the usefulness is if I'm already using Devotions for Advent, as it doesn't provide any other info that isn't in the Robert Morgan book. As a non-lectionary user (or pretending to be one) I see a book as a standalone thing; I don't use it from the home page.

    Now putting back on my "I know about lectionaries" hat: OK, I see the advantage now. It helps you link Devotions for Advent in to a reading-plan order of going through the book, one day at a time. I tried doing a Reading Plan to accomplish the same thing, and it doesn't work. This is the sort of thing that Logos ought to be able to automate, without one having to go to all the work to create a PB lectionary like you did. But great that you were able to and it works as expected. Now let's get on Logos's case to automate stuff like this.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    Now let's get on Logos's case to automate stuff like this.

    That's exactly where I want to get ... a bit of added value to the electronic form.

    I tried doing a Reading Plan to accomplish the same thing, and it doesn't work.

    If I were designing it, I'd raise the level of abstraction to make reading plans and lectionaries be variants of a single function.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭

    Peace, Martha!           Last night I bought the book from Vyrso and was going to set it up as you suggested...........

                      However, I realised that I would then lose my 3-year Lutheran Lectionary to which I refer just about each and every day.

                                  I did make (actually maybe two years ago!) my own devotional called Holy Cross Devotions (!) that works perfectly .......

              so .....  when you say you'll really appreciate it, then perhaps I should try to support you???            ....   in other words, how much do you need input  ....  

                                                   (on a scale of 17 to 250!)          *smile*

    Edit:         I just looked at your .docx file!           It IS very, very well done, eh???      *smile*

    Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    However, I realised that I would then lose my 3-year Lutheran Lectionary to which I refer just about each and every day.

    Milford, you wouldn't lose your lectionary. You just need to try it once to experiment with it, and then you can unprioritize Martha's PB and get back to the way you've been used to, with your lectionary showing up on your home page.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    when you say you'll really appreciate it, then perhaps I should try to support you??? 

    Actually you have already helped on 2 fronts:

    • a user needs the ability to use multiple lectionaries simultaneously (the denominational RCL plus a daily lectionary being the most obvious)
    • a user needs the ability to create devotionals which have a variety of specific needs for reuse

    I'm trying to offer a broad enough use of lectionaries to get more people to think that they matter to them -- and that adding more canned reading plans to faithlife is not a solution but an admission of need.

    Other goals:

    • unifying scripture reading/studying under a common function allow a religious education director to review the scripture study of all of the parish ... and identify what hasn't been covered
    • get more valued-added out of my electronic resources
    • building support for a reading plan/lectionary system that actually meets the needs of liturgy planners, religious education teachers, faith formation directors, daily preachers, and the average lay person
    • get those using lectionaries under other names to quit shuddering at the mention of the term "lectionary"

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭

    Thanks, MJ and Rosie!               *smile*                            I am convinced!            It is the right and proper thing for me to do!          

    So ....             Worship tomorrow         --       Monday - go to Pearson Airport in Toronto so my daughter can embark on a flight back to her home in Grand Cayman        -----------        Tuesday - pick out a loverly cemetery plot with my wifie for my wifie and myself for when the Lord is ready to Call us Home!    *smile*

    Wednesday:    go to work for MJ's project!        *smile*

    If the Lord wills ....      

    Warning Against Presumption.* 13 Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we shall go into such and such a town, spend a year there doing business, and make a profit"— 14 you have no idea what your life will be like tomorrow.* You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears.h15 Instead you should say, "If the Lord wills it,* we shall live to do this or that."    James 4:13-16 (Note * is from NABRE) -

    The uncertainty of life (Jas 4:14), its complete dependence on God, and the necessity of submitting to God’s will (Jas 4:15) all help one know and do what is right (Jas 4:17). To disregard this is to live in pride and arrogance (Jas 4:16); failure to do what is right is a sin (Jas 4:17).

    Thornton Cemetery



    The Cemetery with the Pond


    Click to enlarge image

    Thornton Cemetery, known locally as “the cemetery with the pond,” has been serving the City of Oshawa, the town of Whitby and neighbouring communities since 1984. The pond, large flowerbeds and numerous birdhouses and feeding stations, enhance Thornton’s park-like setting. Ongoing development of the landscape will preserve the natural character of the rolling countryside. 



    The architecture and building materials of the cemetery’s office, chapel, crematorium and mausoleum reflect the rural and religious buildings of Oshawa’s history. The warm red brick of the buildings, for example, is found in many Ontario farm homes, and the chapel features stained-glass works of art.

    Thornton’s services and features include:

    • A full range of interment choices providing for ground burial, cremation and mausoleum entombment;
    • Veterans’ section

    Ground Burial


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    Thornton’s broad selection of ground-burial options include:

    • Single graves, which can accommodate two caskets
      plus cremated remains and permit a flat marker;
    • Single graves adjacent to a brick wall, on which a
      marker can be placed;
    • Single graves that permit an upright monument;
    • Larger lots of two or more graves that permit an upright monument.

    Mausoleum Entombment


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    This choice, which provides for above-ground burial, involves placing a casket inside a crypt, which is then sealed.

    There is still limited space in Thornton’s mausoleum, an outdoor structure in a garden-court design that allows for inscriptions on the granite crypt fronts.


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    Cremation

    Increasingly chosen as an option in the commemorative process, cremation is simply one method of preparing remains for final disposition. Many who choose cremation will also want a lasting memorial, and a place for family and friends to go to pay tribute and remember. Often chosen as a final resting place is a columbarium, which is an arrangement of niches containing cremation urns. For those who choose cremation, Thornton offers:

    • Two indoor chapel columbariums, one with wood-fronted niches and the other glass-fronted;
    • An variety of outdoor granite columbariums;
    • Urn spaces adjacent to walls on which bronze markers may be placed;
    • An Ossuary surrounded by granite columns for inscriptions;
    • Alternatively, cremated remains can be scattered in one of the memorial scattering areas.



    Chapel



    Indoor Niches



    Ossuary



    Outdoor Columbarium



    Outdoor Columbariums



    Outdoor Columbariums

    Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 15,971

    MJ. Smith said:

    If you would please download this file, compile it as a PB with the type lectionary, give it the highest priority of your lectionaries, and then provide feedback re: usefulness, suggestions, objections ....

    MJ, this is great! I didn't know about the dtext field which displays a bible verse dynamically in the lectionary, even from different bibles, defaulting to the top priority bible.

    I used your file as a template for something I had wanted to see in Logos for years: the moravian Daily Texts / Watchwords ("Losungen"). See attached a first test, covering some three weeks or so. 

    The only thing that bugs me a bit is that the verse references often are subverses (part a, or b, of a verse) and the PB compiler seems not to pick that up. 

    If somebody wants to check it out:

    4263.Daily Texts lectionary.Test.docx

    Resource picture and a text for the info field (both coming from Wikipedia) are in the resource. I intend to complete 2013 and build a file for 2014 in due course.

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile