Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Dec 21 2013 6:57 PM

I've recently made a couple PBs for my use from online documents. Most recently the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church from:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

The original document is Copyrighted: © Copyright 2005 - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

I think I would still be allowed to use the text from their publicly available site to make and use a Personal Book for myself, but I don't think I can post a public link to my version of their file. Perhaps I could email the file to anyone interested?

I created about 50 regular expressions to transform the online Vatican HTML into a nice Logos-ready document (headwords, orderly header tree, links to CCC, etc.). So I'm sure I could share these formulas/steps I wrote and you could use them yourself to make your own. So email me if you'd like either the recipe for transforming the HTML for Logos, or if you'd just like the docx (or HTML) I made.

Hopefully the regular expression cleanup I've done will also mostly apply to other Vatican documents. Next up will be Evangelii Gaudium...

-Michael

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 21 2013 8:29 PM

(I've now sent off a email to Vatican Publishing requesting information/permission on what I can create for personal use, and also what/how I could share.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 21 2013 8:37 PM

good luck - I hope you can share

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 22 2013 9:39 PM

Thanks!

My links to Logos CCC are functioning strangely though. Hovering over them shows the regular popup but it shows the reference twice. For example hovering over the ref to CCC 9 shows:

9. [Text of Paragraph 9]

                                          CCC 9 | CCC

9. [Text of Paragraph 9]

                                          CCC 9 | CCC

I posted a simple example docx (and html) on my Google Drive here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2eWQkQh4CwiQkczS0VWSE03dGM&usp=sharing

Can you see if you get the same duplicated references in the popup? If so, am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 22 2013 9:50 PM

Here's a screenshot of what I get in Logos: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2eWQkQh4CwiUWhSY1VKNGREVFE/edit?usp=sharing

(Note that I get the same duplicate popup using both links and Logos syntax. And although for testing I have 2 syntax for both single and range, the error happens even if I only have 1 of any of the 4 as the document, so the existence of the other links isn't causing the issue.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 22 2013 11:38 PM

In docx for a PB you want to use format 1 with the link in URL format when you are intending to open the resource referred to (in Logos or on the web). It will look something like logosres:catcathchrch;ref=CCC.CCC_9

If you wish to dynamically include the text of Logos resources into the Compendium, there is different syntax.

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 6:47 AM

Thanks M.J. Yes, that's what I think I'm doing. I'd used that URL button you indicated when first copying the format to use. But maybe it is how I'm embedding that URL in the document? With a simple example document just with this

[[9 >> logosres:catcathchrch;ref=CCC.CCC_9]]

(or with it as a link generated by this HTML: <a href="logosres:catcathchrch;ref=CCC.CCC_9">9</a>)

Either way the on-hover-popup text would show the reference twice.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 12:27 PM

Michael Chambers:

But maybe it is how I'm embedding that URL in the document? With a simple example document just with this

[[9 >> logosres:catcathchrch;ref=CCC.CCC_9]]

You're doing it right. The double-showing in a pop-up is something we saw in other resources as well, don't know if you can do something about it.

I tested in the latest beta, and it shows double just as you see it. Alternative I tried a page reference, and this will work and show text only once in the popup, but who's citing the CCC's page numbers?  

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 1:58 PM

Michael Chambers:
Either way the on-hover-popup text would show the reference twice.

That's expected behaviour. One shows the exact resource you've linked to, the other shows your highest prioritized resource with that datatype (which in this case happens to be the same).

What you should do, is use a reference link instead of a resource link. For the CCC that ought to look something like this: [[9 >> CCC:CCC 9]]. This will  let everyone see only their highest prioritized CCC.

Finding a datatype name and reference shows you how it's done.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 2:43 PM

fgh:
For the CCC that ought to look something like this: [[9 >> CCC:CCC 9]]. This will  let everyone see only their highest prioritized CCC.

Actually it's [[Catechism of the Catholic Church 9 >> logosref:CCC.CCC_9]] - the logosref part being decisive (ref for reference instead of res for resource)

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 3:28 PM

That also seems to work. But mine is shorter.Smile

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 3:40 PM

In personal books both forms work, and I have used the short form, since I hate typing, and have typed too many of them by hand.  But for reading lists, the longer form is the form that works, and so it may be wise to get in the habit of that.

SDG

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 5:52 PM

Thanks, Ken. I've used the shorter form because that's the one Mark teaches in that link I gave. All I've ever done in RL's is add one or two lines, and then I've simply looked at the lines above and below to get it right, so I had no idea you needed a different looking link there.

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2013 6:19 PM

Thanks all! That works perfectly!

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Gary Geronimo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 30 2017 3:05 PM

Hi Michael,

I am a newbie to Verbum and this community/forums. I was trying to figure out how to send you a personal email but could not determine how to do it. I hope you are okay with me just sending this as a reply to your post. (and I sincerely apologize to anyone reading the thread whom I may inconvenience with this.)

I know it's been years since your original post but I just read it and am interested to find out if you were able to get permission to email a copy of your created PB of Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church? If yes, I was hoping you'd please kindly send a copy to me?

Thanks.

Gary

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 30 2017 5:36 PM

GG:

Welcome to the Logos user forums! You'll find a lot of useful information on using Logos here, also an occasional heads-up on good deals, new resources, etc.

Typically if a forum user wants others to know their email address, they'll post it on their Faithlife profile page. Michael does not have his posted, but for future reference, you can see someone's profile by clicking on their name in the post. Then click About on the left navigation bar. Scroll down to see if there's a email listed under Contact Info.

Also note that clicking on the user's picture/avatar takes you to a page that lists their forum posts.

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 3 2017 2:01 PM

Hi Gary,

I've added my email address to my profile, so you can email me. Then I'll email you what I had at the time. I'm afraid that I haven't touched it in a long time, but hopefully it will work.

-Michael

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Michael Chambers | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 3 2017 2:30 PM

The response I got included:

Dear Mr. Chambers, 

 

We acknowledge receipt of your e-mail concerning your proposal to use Logos Bible Software project to make a your Logos Personal Book.

 

If L.B.S. allows for personal use to do so we have no objection however, you are not authorize to use documents  different from those purchasing by them even if available on the Vatican site; duplicate; make online sources; link and share it.

 

Then I replied with the following and asked for confirmation. Unfortunately I didn't receive an answer:

Thank you for your response and the information!

I think that means that:

1) Anyone can take the online HTML directly from the Vatican site and make a personal L.B.S. book just for themselves. 2) No one is authorized to share their edited file of any Vatican-based personal book that they have made. (We cannot share the final HTML, DOCX, PDF, etc) 3) I can post this link to instructions and the regular expressions I made so people can use my regular expression macros to quickly make their own books: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2eWQkQh4CwiaWNfa08xcjZZd1E&usp=sharing My regular expressions in the shortcuts.xml are 99% based just on the HTML formatting and not visible text. (The only exceptions are a couple headers: "The joy of the gospel" "Mary, Virgin and Mother", single words like "INDEX" "Part" "Section" "CHAPTER", and references such as the books of the bible)

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