Scripture References From Babylonian Talmud?

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Liam | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014 8:49 PM

I'm going through my monograph resources looking for expositions on Bible passages, and pasting them into my Bible notes as hyperlinks. I would like to do this for all relevant passages of the talmud that are expositions on any portion of the Old Testament. The problem is that the resource is so large it would be way too time consuming to do. Does anyone know of a clever way to get all the Bible references listed out. 

In particular it would be great if there was a way to search for only expositions of portions of the OT, rather than just references. Does anyone know of an outside resource that would do this? Or is there a commentary series that does this?

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 1:45 AM

Hi

Not easy - the first problem is the terse or almost criptic nature of the Talmud itself - it is almost designed to require exhaustive study.

Also the base folio editions then not to have scripture references - you need them in the modern edition. I use the Artscroll - in printed form.

You might like to investigate  the HaMafteach (the Key) which is to my knowledge the first comprehensive subject index translated into English.

http://www.amazon.com/HaMafteach-English-Edition-Daniel-Retter/dp/B006ODKQEW

If there is a scripture reference index - I don't know of one.

Let me know if you come across anything.

Shalom Kevin

 

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 2:58 AM

Kevin A Lewis:
Let me know if you come across anything.

Yes  Deeply interested.

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 5:59 AM

Enquiries to this guy might produce something

http://thetalmudblog.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/the-bible-in-the-bavli-some-first-numbers-guest-post-by-michael-satlow/

looks like this is still workin progress though

Shalom

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 6:02 AM

Ah - this is an online resourse - but might provide what you need

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/lightfoot/talmud.ix.i.html

Shalom

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 6:32 AM

See here.

But is it the same as the Logos product A Commentary on the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica (4 vols.)?

If not...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 6:34 AM

Lee, I was afraid someone was going to mention that.  

If you look at the Etherial library and then look at the CNTTH or the Lightfoot collection, as far as I can see, the index above referenced, is missing. I sure wish Logos could 'communicate'. Or maybe I'm (happily) wrong.


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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 8:01 AM

I did try - as I say the printed example is about the best that I know of but is topis not scriptures

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 12:33 PM

Thanks for the info all! Do you guys know if there is a contextual commentary that gives the references whenever the talmud has something substantial about a particular Scripture reference?

I see Lightfoot's work, but I know his commentary is only on a few books of the NT, and was hoping for something a bit broader. Something that would cover the whole Bible (or maybe just OT since that's all the talmud references), and have links to the talmud when it had a substantial expostion on a OT portion.

I'm mostly just trying to make this resource useful to me. I purchased it on CP long ago and haven't ever read it.

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Dudley C Rose | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 5:36 PM

Liam, I've read this thread, but I'm still not sure what I'm going to say is useful for your purposes. The Soncino translation of the Babylonian Talmud uses footnotes to indicate Biblical references related to the Talmud text. The Soncino is freely available at: http://halakhah.com/

I have been working on a Python routine to automatically convert the Soncino text into a form from which I can make a suitable docx file for a PB so that the scripture references will hyperlink. My main purpose is to have the ability to click a reference and see the relevant Bible text while reading the Talmud. I like Neusner's translation, but he doesn't identify Bible references as far as I can see.

For what it's worth.

Liam Walsh:

I'm going through my monograph resources looking for expositions on Bible passages, and pasting them into my Bible notes as hyperlinks. I would like to do this for all relevant passages of the talmud that are expositions on any portion of the Old Testament. The problem is that the resource is so large it would be way too time consuming to do. Does anyone know of a clever way to get all the Bible references listed out. 

In particular it would be great if there was a way to search for only expositions of portions of the OT, rather than just references. Does anyone know of an outside resource that would do this? Or is there a commentary series that does this?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2014 7:23 PM

I imagine the JPS commentaries would mention the Talmud if it has something important to say. There aren't that many volumes, though. 

Kevin A Lewis:

You might like to investigate  the HaMafteach (the Key) which is to my knowledge the first comprehensive subject index translated into English.

http://www.amazon.com/HaMafteach-English-Edition-Daniel-Retter/dp/B006ODKQEW

Please support it at SUGGESTION: HaMafteach -- the first ever index to the Talmud.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 1:18 PM

Peace, "Keep Smiling!"                       I' m still impressed at the amazing power of Logos 5!

          Thanks so much for sharing with us!            This evening I'm going to see if I can personally duplicate your work!                      Wow!            *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 7:55 PM

Liam Walsh:

I'm going through my monograph resources looking for expositions on Bible passages, and pasting them into my Bible notes as hyperlinks. I would like to do this for all relevant passages of the talmud that are expositions on any portion of the Old Testament. The problem is that the resource is so large it would be way too time consuming to do. Does anyone know of a clever way to get all the Bible references listed out. 

In particular it would be great if there was a way to search for only expositions of portions of the OT, rather than just references. Does anyone know of an outside resource that would do this? Or is there a commentary series that does this?

I started something like this with a Mind Mapping program linking Bible verses to Logos resourses.

Just started so its not very large yet.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 16 2014 7:09 AM

If anyone returns this way, on the subject of the OT vs the Talmud, remember that the CitedBy tool in Logos can link the OT citations in the Talmud to the OT.

I'd forgotten this.  One of my rabbit trails was looking at Psa 40.7, where the hebrew uses two words associated with writing materials.  The translations bounce around on the joyous occasion.  But the CitedBy showed how at least some Babylon-based rabbis (likely) viewed the translation.


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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 16 2014 8:53 AM

Peace, Denise!                *smile*                  Thanks for your post ...             It gave me great Joy indeed to study Psalm 40  ...     especially verse 7 ....

     Luther -- and I agree! -- could find Christ in the Psalms and Old Testament, for example here ...           from Luther's Works ...

logosres:lw11;ref=Bible.Ps119.160;off=930;ctx=_sense_of_the_Law.$E2$80$9D_~So_Ps._40:7_says:_$E2$80$9CI

So Ps. 40:7 says: “In the head of the book it is written of Me,” that is, in the chief and literal sense, which always shows Christ. Thus what is stated above can also be understood as meaning “From the beginning I have known of Thy testimonies,” that is, in the spiritual and chief sense of the Law. For as Christ is the Head of the church, so Scripture is also in the head, that is, it speaks of Him before all things. “Therefore let truth be the beginning, the head, that is, the chief sense of Your words,[1]



[1] Luther, M. (1955). Luther’s works, vol. 11: First Lectures on the Psalms II: Psalms 76-126. (J. J. Pelikan, H. C. Oswald, & H. T. Lehmann, Eds.) (Vol. 11, p. 517). Saint Louis: Concordia Publishing House.

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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