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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 8:01 AM

Since market share is a significant factor in Logos decision regarding a windows phone app. I would be interested in hearing what percentage of market share you think an OS should have before Logos creates an app for it? 

 

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 8:35 AM

Thanks for the question which I think is the real issue here. Logos wants to base their decision on "total market share" of the OS.  My premises is that the decision should not be based on "total market share" but on "Logos customer share" and if the "total market share" is a part of the equation it should be the trend as opposed to a number/percentage.  By that I mean the percentage of the Logos customer base (present customers) requesting the app and the trend of the OS (plus or minus) should be the significant factor not the "overall/total market" share of the OS which can be manipulated to meet ones own agenda. The numbers game can be played forever and manipulated for whichever way the wind blows.  Just look at what our government does with information and numbers they release based on what?  Who knows. There is an old saying that "figures don't lie but lairs do figure". And this is not suggesting that Logos is manipulating figures only that the source of those figures may not be totally unbiased. Thus the reasoning behind utilizing customer base numbers for decisions about new or expanded products. Thanks for listening.  Smile

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 9:41 AM

So what percentage of logos customers is needed before an app is provided?

I will grant that the recent growth trend for the windows phone platform is significant. However business decisions must be based on sustained trends. Blackberry is a good example of that.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 10:13 AM

Richard- there is absolutely nothing wrong with your reusing my Logic. It was impeccable. Of course, the real issue is what do you value most in  electronic resources? If you value windows mobile phone accessibility above all, you should not spend another cent in logos until they can fulfill that need. I was exposed to logos many years ago but didnt buy anything else after switching to Mac. My desire is to have a unified library. Logos is the best at that. I would be disappointed if they didn't have an iOS app, but there isn't an alternative. If you don't care about the strengths of Logos, why spend another dime? Of course, I don't really believe that's true about you otherwise you wouldn't be so persistent in this thread. I hope that Logos does make a windows phone app for you... I just wouldn't expect it this year. 

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Terry Roberts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 10:53 AM

Aloha and good morning once again

I have no intention of abandoning Logos.  I continue to add resources at least monthly.I will be moving to Windows Phone.  And I will be moving to a Surface Pro 2 (maybe I'll wait until the Surface Pro 3 emerges).

I mostly use my iPad while mobile and my laptop at home.  But my original iPad really doesnt have the oomph needed to properly run Logos.

I use my phone for quick Bible reading/reference for those times I do not have my tablet with me (which is most of the time when away from home unless at chruch).  I can live with no Logos on my phone. I need the Windows Phone platform to support other needs.  And the Surface tablet will do quite nicely for everything else.

Logos is a superb product. And I look forward to continued used (and hopefully on the Windows Phone platform someday).

Thanks for letting me.  God's love and blessings to all of you

 

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 11:34 AM

I will not get into the numbers game because that is only a small portion of the equation plus whatever number I put out there someone on this thread will take issue with.  Having been in management of a large financial institution for over 30 years I understand that many factors are taken into count when offering a new product not just one factor as seems to be the process here. As our friend from Hawaii has stated Logos has a good to very good product (which we all pay well for) and typically I would think that real research and study with the Logos program it is most likely being done on a tablet, laptop or desktop machine which is better suited than a mobile device for that type activity. I too can wait for the powers to be at Logos to make a decision about a Windows phone app.  However, by that time I am quite sure I will have adapted to other products out there that will serve the purpose admirably and I will no longer desire or need the Logos product on my mobile device as my Surface Pro 2 serves that need well and I expect will for years to come.  I believe this will be my last post on this subject, which some here will applaud, as I believe my position has already been covered and explained adequately.  God bless one and all. Yes

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 5:43 PM

Except for that Windows 8 has substantially larger market share than Apple's OS, which Logos does support.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 28 2014 5:53 PM

Joe Gschwandtner:

Except for that Windows 8 has substantially larger market share than Apple's OS, which Logos does support.

Windows mobile isn't the same thing as "windows 8" for the desktop. If it were, Logos would already be able to run on such devices (L5), and there wouldn't be a need for this thread. 

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 29 2014 5:32 AM

Several points.

First, most of those devices that aren't running Windows 8.1 are running some previous version of Windows, not OS/X or iOS, so this is an apples to oranges comparison.

Second, Windows 8.1 for the desktop doesn't run on Windows phones, so this has little to do with the Windows phone market.

Third, the current move is towards Windows phones, rather than away. The one marketing thing Google has done right is to call their phone something other than the Google phone. If anyone starts to realize that the great data vacuum Google is behind the Android O/S, and just how much invasion of privacy is involved in using Google products, maybe they'll start to switch. But, then again, people don't generally care, and seem to be willing to install Big Brother's cameras willingly just so they can be better entertained.

Fourth, no matter how you slice is, 25 million is a lot of people. To say something "only has 1% of the market" is to say absolutely nothing in real money terms. So I reject the entire idea -- "it's only 10% of the market" means absolutely nothing. Real units count -- 25 million? There didn't even used to be 25 million PCs on the planet, much less 25 million running a single O/S. Part of the problem here is that people seem to think PC's are going away, and that since PC's are going away (being replaced by tablets), and Apple "owns" the tablet world, the future is tablets running Apple. Be careful what you wish for, because you might actually get it. No PC? Your kids won't learn to code or create in real terms, they'll only learn to consume. The coming digital divide is between those who know how to watch a movie on a tablet and those who know how to do real work on a PC. To say the PC is "dying" because people who are primarily consumers are switching from PCs to tablets is like saying the car is dying because people who primarily commute in highly dense city environments are switching to bicycles. And what set of plumbing tools can you carry on a bicycle, precisely? You can build a new house using only bicycles? I'd like to see you try -- it will be amusing, at least, to see you carrying 2x4x8's around on your shoulder while pedaling. 

Market shifts happen, but beware of the chart that shows complete disappearance in a few years time. As an IT professional, I've been seeing them for the last twenty years, and the one thing I know is they're never right. Ever.

These things are always a bet. Saying, "I want the market share to be over x% before I'll invest," is saying, "I don't want to accept the risk -- let someone else take it." That's always, always, always a path to mediocrity. 

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 29 2014 6:00 AM

Wonderfully said and right on.  Thank you! Yes

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 27 2014 8:40 PM

I suspect:  10% in the US

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 29 2014 2:22 AM

Genghis:

In the meantime, we still need something to accompany us for looking up stuff or to take notes during sermons.

Problem solved: convinced my church leaders to set up WiFi access for the church auditorium.  Now I have access to Biblia.com. Yeah.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 13 2014 2:18 PM

Bob Pritchett:
But Microsoft has pulled out a win from behind before. If they do it again, we'll be there to support it.

Bob, I just think Microsoft did it again here and now with Windows Phone. Don't you think it is already time to support it?

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 13 2014 2:23 PM

DITTO!!!

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OCGF1 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 13 2014 3:13 PM

DITTO!!!

Universal App development is here!  One App tweaked to work on all of Windows (Desktop/Laptop, Tablet NT/RT, XBox, Windows Phone)  http://dev.windows.com/en-us/develop/Building-universal-Windows-apps

It's time Logos to forgive and overcome bitterness, anger, disappointment, and excuses. 

It's time to think of the needs of the customers and provide the excellent service that Logos has been known for.  

Where there is a 'will' there is a way!  

You Can Do All Things Through Christ Who Strengthens You! (Phil 4:13)

Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all [a]comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds inChrist Jesus. {Phil 4:6-7)

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 13 2014 4:41 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Bob, I just think Microsoft did it again here and now with Windows Phone. Don't you think it is already time to support it?

Is there any news? 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 14 2014 12:11 PM

alabama24:

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Bob, I just think Microsoft did it again here and now with Windows Phone. Don't you think it is already time to support it?

Is there any news? 

Nothing special I would be able to name. Just general observation of the situation from a customer point of view.

Bohuslav

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 14 2014 12:16 PM

I just gave up and ditched my Windows phone for a Samsung Note 3, I must say that while I loved my windows phone the app support was just not there in crucial areas, for me the killers were Sonos, Logos and Hive (central heating control).

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 14 2014 3:08 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Nothing special I would be able to name. Just general observation of the situation from a customer point of view.

An observation from a non-windows (except at work) user: From what I have seen, I think that the windows phone would be my "what would I get if I didn't get an iPhone" phone. Of course, that isn't going to happen, but anyways. Big Smile

I haven't heard any strong market push towards the windows phone... I think it deserves a much stronger look than android phones... Stick out tongue

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