NIV 1984 - When will we be able to purchase?

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Rev James Dinger | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jan 19 2014 7:07 PM

I was speaking to a technical representative recently who told me that the NIV 1984 version may be available soon for Logos 5.  When is this expected to be released?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 19 2014 7:11 PM

As far as we know, it won't be available, unless the copyright holder allows it. If and when they do, contracts will need to be signed. The files exist, so I assume once those two things take place, it would be available immediately afterwards. 

I don't think Logos is likely to comment.

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Rev James Dinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 19 2014 7:21 PM

My conversation was recent...within the last two weeks.  The representative told me a number of people were asking for the NIV 1984 and that Logos was working on a contract/discussions.  He encouraged me to check back regularly.

Is there a way to incorporate my NIV 1984 from another software company to Logos that you are aware of? 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 19 2014 7:32 PM

Rev James Dinger:
Is there a way to incorporate my NIV 1984 from another software company to Logos that you are aware of? 

Zondervan owns the copyright, and my understanding is that they pulled 1984 in an attempt to promote sales of NIV2011. If 84 becomes available again it would seem to mean that they had either reached their goal or decided it was unattainable and decided to get what they could from 84.

In either case, Logos is unlikely to comment publicly.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 19 2014 7:46 PM

Rev James Dinger:
My conversation was recent...within the last two weeks.  The representative told me a number of people were asking for the NIV 1984 and that Logos was working on a contract/discussions.  He encouraged me to check back regularly.

This link from the copyright owner, http://www.biblica.com/niv/previous-editions/, states that:

"At present, the historical NIV text is not available online. However, discussions are underway to determine if it will be possible to access previous editions of the NIV online for research purposes."

Perhaps those discussions include Logos.  We can all hope.

Rev James Dinger:
Is there a way to incorporate my NIV 1984 from another software company to Logos that you are aware of? 

Sorry, no.  Licenses don't transfer between software packages.

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 19 2014 11:28 PM

This would be a welcome development - especially if Logos could make any NIV 1984 RI available too for sale for "historical research purposes" ( - sorry George Somsel!)

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 19 2014 11:54 PM

Don't You think the Reverse Interlinear of the 1971 RSV New Testament is superior? I do. I've started learning Gk at an old age, that is the reason. Would You really like to pay as much as $60 for a NIV84 RI NT?:

Paul-C:
if Logos could make any NIV 1984 RI available too for sale

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KJ Niblett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 12:26 AM

Hey Unix, I have found the ESV to read very well alongside of the Greek. That said I often preach from the NLT, and my own personal translation/expanded paraphrase.

For instance I was preaching from Matthew 6:13 on Sunday and again this morning on a bible teaching show I host on our local radio station.

My paraphrased version is pasted below. In doing this I have to not only look at direct equivalence from Greek to English but also the context and intent of the passage and author both in isolation and in the pericope, Furthermore I also look at the verse in light of the entire Bible.

 

The biblical metaphor of believers being pilgrims and sojourners travelling through this broken and corrupted world is a theme of scripture (Pilgrims progress picks up on this theme very well) came out of Matthew 6:13 for me. I could see allusions to both Psalm 23 and 121 in the intent of Matthew 6:13

 

Matthew 6:13 KN

Guide our journeys Lord, as we pass by temptation, and keep us safe from tricks and schemes of the evil one.

 

I also attached some other translations for your consideration.

Matthew 6:13 (KJV 1900)

(13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Matthew 6:13 (NLT)

(13) And don’t let us yield to temptation, but rescue us from the evil one.

Matthew 6:13 (JB Phillips)

(13) Keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil'."

Matthew 6:13 (CJB)

(13) And do not lead us into hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One.

 

Hopefully you can see the difficulty in looking for the most pure translation when it comes to English/Greek.

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Kevin Olson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 3:00 AM

You can still buy the UK version.  It looks like the NIV2011UK version will soon be available, which might mean that the 84 version will disappear.  

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Bob Schlessman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 4:34 AM

Kevin Olson:

You can still buy the UK version.  It looks like the NIV2011UK version will soon be available, which might mean that the 84 version will disappear.  

I suspect that if you already have the NIV84UK you won't lose it once it is taken out of circulation. At least that is how it worked with the US version. I still have the NIV84 in my Logos package.and use it quite frequently for sermon and lesson prep. That is the version most of my congregation uses so it works well for me.

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 5:06 AM

Bob Schlessman:

Kevin Olson:

You can still buy the UK version.  It looks like the NIV2011UK version will soon be available, which might mean that the 84 version will disappear.  

I suspect that if you already have the NIV84UK you won't lose it once it is taken out of circulation. At least that is how it worked with the US version.

Bob is right we do not lose the right to own/use resources when Logos lose the right to sell them, they remain in our libraries and can be used.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 5:42 AM

Unix:
Don't You think the Reverse Interlinear of the 1971 RSV New Testament is superior? I do. I've started learning Gk at an old age, that is the reason. Would You really like to pay as much as $60 for a NIV84 RI NT?

I took Greek shortly after the NRSV was introduced.  A mentor told me that I should check my translation work against the RSV instead of the NRSV.  Both are good, and fairly literal translations actually, but the NRSV does a bit more paraphrasing - and this isn't really a bad thing for a good English translation.  And both the NRSV and RSV are more literal than the NIV.  So for things like this, yes. the RSV would be "better".

But that isn't really the intended purpose of a reverse interlinear.  It is rather to link the English words you see to the Greek text behind it.  And for that, you want a RI for an English text you actually use, and now many more people use the 1984 NIV than the 1971 RSV.

Of course, looking at a RI is no substitute for actually looking at the text in the original language.  I had a dramatic reminder of this yesterday when in a study on Mk 8.27, the instructor (with no Greek) asked if this "I am" fit in with the "I am" passages in John.  Looking at the RI, I saw "ego eimi", which made me wonder.  A quick glance at Nestle-Aland, however showed that the Greek word order is completely different, and it is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a reader of the Greek could ever make that connection.  The similarity is only because of what you have to do to put the Greek into understandable English. 

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Rev James Dinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 7:04 AM

I tried to purchase the UK version...Logos would not let me purchase it.  Is there something I am missing?

 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 7:12 AM

Rev James Dinger:

I tried to purchase the UK version...Logos would not let me purchase it.  Is there something I am missing? 

Delivery address? IP-Address geolocation? Which means: Logos will not sell the UK version to US persons (and in much more cases, will not sell or even show the US version of a resource to international customers) because of limits in the licence rights they obtained from respective publishers.

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 7:21 AM

As NB.Mick pointed out, this resource is not available to users in the US:

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Andrew Perez | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 9:44 AM

I have the NIV (1984) in my Logos Library. It must have been part of a previous version of Logos, (L4 or L3; Mac). It is also interlinear. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 9:56 AM

Andrew Perez:
I have the NIV (1984) in my Logos Library. It must have been part of a previous version of Logos,

It was certainly available in the L4 days

Andrew Perez:
It is also interlinear. 

Only for the New Testament at the moment.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 10:20 AM

I certainly would;t mind getting the 1978 version if they are making previous versions available.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 7:38 PM

I have both the 84 and 2011 but would love to have access to the 84 interlinear.  It's better than having to look at the interlinear in 2011 and then try to match it to the 84 one.  Maybe they could bring the NIV Study Bible too Wink

Edit: By the way, my instructor once told me that if I had an RSV OT and an ASV 1901 NT that would be the closest I'd get to the original.  RSV is great on the OT and ASV 1901 (being a literal translation) is great for the NT.  I think it was a bias opinion as I believe you'd be better off (when studying) to check several translations to understand the text better.  Just thought I'd throw that out there. Geeked

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 20 2014 8:32 PM

Kelvin Niblett:
In doing this I have to not only look at direct equivalence from Greek to English but also the context and intent of the passage and author both in isolation and in the pericope, Furthermore I also look at the verse in light of the entire Bible.

Thankful for visual filter highlighting using reverse interlinear tagging so can see range of Greek verbal expression in Greek, English, and Spanish:

Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters

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