Is there a possibility that Logos may release Logos 6 this year?

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 2:17 PM

toughski:

I am super-excited about the stable 5.2a that just came out. Good Job, Logos!

Looking forward to Logos N (it's when they fix NOTES, finally)

Notes?  You guys take notes?

I seriously doubt that Logos could create anything that would tempt me away from using OneNote with Logos.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 3:01 PM

Can you insert OneNote notes directly into your Logos Bibles? Do they pop up when you hover over the note icon?

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 6:12 PM

David Paul:

Can you insert OneNote notes directly into your Logos Bibles? Do they pop up when you hover over the note icon?

As a OneNote user I would be interested in knowing how to build reference links between the two. 

On the other hand, I can read and edit my Logos notes when I am using my iPad and Android tablets.  OneNote notes would not be useful on either.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 6:35 PM

If you save your OneNote docs on SkyDrive, you can make links to Paragraphs, Pages or Sections. Right-Click the Paragraph, Page or Section and select Copy Link. You can then create a Note in a Logos resource and insert that link.

You can also copy a Logos resource location into OneNote. From the Resource menu select Copy URL. Then create a link in OneNote that links to the copied URL. You might want to convert that to a ref.ly link for flexibility. (http://community.logos.com/forums/t/66752.aspx) For Windows and Android devices it's not necessary, but Macs need the conversion... not sure about iPad.

[Bonus Assignment for Programmers: Write a PC/Mac Background app to monitor clipboard, detect a logos url and automatically convert it to a ref.ly link.]

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 8:13 PM

I may at some point get to a place where I decide to try OneNote or EverNote or something of the like. It all sounds rather unsatisfying...but there's nothing satisfying or comforting about watching the calendar turn L3 into a decrepit, achy old man. I know that L5 (and L6 and L7 and L8, ad nauseum) will be forever useless for note-taking, because Bob has described my note usage as quirky, novel, and counter-intuitive. For me, it is something akin to a skeleton key...utterly essential and invaluable beyond all. I doubt any program will be as elegantly integrated as L3 and its notation function are, but if something came close enough, I might convert. While that might give me the freedom to finally fully move over to L5, et al., the fact remains that I just like the look and appearance of L3 far more than L5. To me, L3 looks spunky and vibrant, while L5 looks wooden and almost lifeless. That will be a hard pill to swallow...if I ever choose to.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 8:16 PM

David - how do you use your notes? If you convert more Logos users to your way of thinking and get them to vote on a uservoice topic... you might just get your functionality back.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 8:32 PM

David Paul:

I may at some point get to a place where I decide to try OneNote or EverNote or something of the like. It all sounds rather unsatisfying...but there's nothing satisfying or comforting about watching the calendar turn L3 into a decrepit, achy old man. I know that L5 (and L6 and L7 and L8, ad nauseum) will be forever useless for note-taking, because Bob has described my note usage as quirky, novel, and counter-intuitive. For me, it is something akin to a skeleton key...utterly essential and invaluable beyond all. I doubt any program will be as elegantly integrated as L3 and its notation function are, but if something came close enough, I might convert. While that might give me the freedom to finally fully move over to L5, et al., the fact remains that I just like the look and appearance of L3 far more than L5. To me, L3 looks spunky and vibrant, while L5 looks wooden and almost lifeless. That will be a hard pill to swallow...if I ever choose to.

I'm not sure what it is that you find so appealing in L3.  I think the Christmas tree look of resources there due to the colorful links is off-putting.  Also, I think L5 is much more flexible than L3.  The one thing I dislike intensely about L5 is that it doesn't have a Weights and Measures function (are you listening, Bob?).  There has been some improvement in notes, but I would like to see it possible to link from one note file to a specific location in another note file.  Also, I seem to recall that at one time I could place the cursor in the first line of a paragraph and use <ctrl-m> to indent the first line of the paragraph (<ctrl-m> elsewhere would indent the entire paragraph)—I would like that back.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 9:16 PM

George Somsel:
The one thing I dislike intensely about L5 is that it doesn't have a Weights and Measures function (are you listening, Bob?). 

Vote on it here if you haven't already:

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5/suggestions/956535-bring-back-the-weights-and-measures-tool-from-l3 

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Paul Chatfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 20 2014 11:43 PM

abondservant:

David - how do you use your notes? If you convert more Logos users to your way of thinking and get them to vote on a uservoice topic... you might just get your functionality back.

I'll jump into the discussion here as I use Logos notes, not having paid software like OneNote.  I have a note file for each book of the Bible as well as other note files.  I record previous URLs of Logos searches to show interesting aspects of certain passages.  I also put quotes in that I find linked to certain passages that speak on that issue.  I try to be fairly with the length of my notes - keeping them as short as possible, often collecting quotes from commentaries.

I think it is nice to have the notes appear as I hover over a passage - I find this ease of reference allows me to read through a passage and check a note to see if it's interesting if I'm chewing over a certain issue.  In this sense, let me try to compare the role of Logos notes with an ipad.  It's not as good as a proper laptop/destop, but it's quicker to load up and so practically just easier.  So are Logos notes.  Though functionality is more limited, they are better integrated with Logos and therefore quicker/easier. 

Does that limited analogy help make sense why some of us use Logos notes?

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 3:01 AM

Michael Childs:

toughski:

I am super-excited about the stable 5.2a that just came out. Good Job, Logos!

Looking forward to Logos N (it's when they fix NOTES, finally)

Notes?  You guys take notes?

I seriously doubt that Logos could create anything that would tempt me away from using OneNote with Logos.

I couldn't be bothered using a program like OneNote or Evernote with Logos.  Sure they are great note taking apps with much more features than Logos Notes, and they are both cloud based.   I use Evernote for other note taking needs but I don't think it could ever compare to having notes right there in the program.  There is way to much disconnect between an external app and Logos for it to be useful to me.  I'm not looking for anymore "word processing" features in notes, what I want to see is things like being able to link notes, attach a single note to multiple locations, the ability to tag notes and have search return the note (not the note file) etc.

As far as L6 goes I don't' particularly care to see it this year, end of 2015 would be fine.  L4 to L5 happened really because of new datasets which Logos obviously and deservedly wanted to recoup the cost of their efforts in building them and then in addition to sell some more resources to generate further income -hence new base packages which happen each new version. They've gotten around doing a new version this time around by starting to offer new denominational base packages - first under the Verbum banner and now a "Reformed" Base packages with more to come I would expect.  Users want resources that relate to the denomination they attend and so a new base package for that denomination is a good marketing ploy to get users to spend the money - and i want Logos to continue to be a successful company so have no issue with them for looking a new ways to continue generating a steady cash flow.  "Topical Bundles" have also been a good source I would think of cash flow for them. Payment plans also help them with a steady cash flow as they know they have a bankable amount of cash coming in each month to pay the bills and pay the staff. So I hope all these other efforts to generate cash flow for them are enough for them to hold back on releasing a new major version this year.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 5:14 AM

abondservant:

David - how do you use your notes? If you convert more Logos users to your way of thinking and get them to vote on a uservoice topic... you might just get your functionality back.

Not likely. Bob actually told me in person at the first Camp Logos for L4 that I was odd man out (not in so many words), and has restated that perspective even more clearly on the forum. I've described what I do on a number of occasions, so I won't go into detail here, but I use Libronix pretty much in the way others use PowerPoint. L3 notes can fill the screen, meaning you can insert tons of info directly into your Bible that pops up on demand with nothing but a mouse hover.

Here are a couple of examples:

You can have interlinear details in a pop up note to show what the original language says without having to click even once...

L5 (and L6 and so on) will never be able to do this because someone caught Bob's ear and convinced him that big notes were a problem ("they cover up the screen!"), which is why L4/5 notes are only a tiny box. It is what it is.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 5:43 AM

Lo·gos  (lō′gōs′, lŏg′ŏs′)

n. 1. Philosophy
a. In pre-Socratic philosophy, the principle governing the cosmos, the source of this principle, or human reasoning about the cosmos.
b. Among the Sophists, the topics of rational argument or the arguments themselves.
c. In Stoicism, the active, material, rational principle of the cosmos; nous. Identified with God, it is the source of all activity and generation and is the power of reason residing in the human soul.
2. Judaism
a. In biblical Judaism, the word of God, which itself has creative power and is God's medium of communication with the human race.
b. In Hellenistic Judaism, a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
3. Christianity In Saint John's Gospel, especially in the prologue (1:1-14), the creative word of God, which is itself God and incarnate in Jesus. Also called Word.
4. Software
a. A comprehensive Bible reading and search program, not designed or intended for serious personal research.

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Todd Frusti | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 5:45 AM

David Paul:
I use Libronix pretty much in the way others use PowerPoint

David,  it seems like eons since I used Libronix, but I still have the disks (and see that Libronix 3.0g can be downloaded).  I would like to try this this in place of Power Point sometime.  Can I safely install Libronix side-by-side with L5?  If so, is it safe to set it to use the same resource library that L5 accesses?

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 6:08 AM

George Somsel:
The one thing I dislike intensely about L5 is that it doesn't have a Weights and Measures function (are you listening, Bob?).

You probably already know about this or something similar, but there seem to be a lot of conversion functions for biblical units at this site (they also have a downloadable app at $30): http://www.unitconversion.org/index.html. I haven't been around long enough to have used Weights and Measures or to know all the details of this issue so don't hit me too hard. 

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 6:15 AM

Paul Chatfield:
I use Logos notes, not having paid software like OneNote.

OneNote is free on all platforms, I believe. http://www.onenote.com/ 

Paul Chatfield:
I have a note file for each book of the Bible as well as other note files.  I record previous URLs of Logos searches to show interesting aspects of certain passages.  I also put quotes in that I find linked to certain passages that speak on that issue.  I try to be fairly with the length of my notes - keeping them as short as possible, often collecting quotes from commentaries.

OneNote is good with organization and searching. Tagging is also extremely useful in OneNote to collect and organize notes by keywords, scripture refs, etc. It could be easier linking back to Logos from copied quotes, etc. OneNote has an API that Logos could use to make this easier as well as having a service API for the mobile version. I just wish OneNote had VBA so we could write scripts to ease insertion of other types of links back to Logos. Tighter integration would certainly make it easier and more attractive. I'm not trying to convert anyone. Just noting that it's a good alternative with a different set of trade-offs. The biggest issue for most seems to be the display of the notes in the text. I don't find that a problem, but I wonder if there is a solution for that...

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 6:47 AM

Todd Frusti:
Can I safely install Libronix side-by-side with L5?

Yes they are two entirely sets of program "engines" I run both at the same time in/from the same part of my Hard Drive.

Todd Frusti:
If so, is it safe to set it to use the same resource library that L5 accesses?

Not exactly as the L5 resources have a differing suffix at the end. And...[I believe that a small set] of resources are no longer compatible. So, based on that, I believe you would have to re-load all of your Libronix CDs.

There has also been an issue regarding IE [Internet Explorer] -- Libronix must use IE to "draw" its windows (to visually "draw" or show resources, etc).  So far few, if any, have been able to get Libronix to work with IE 11 which comes with Windows 8.  There was a patch to help Libronix run with IE 9 and/or 10. I deliberately re-formatted in order to "go back" to IE8.

Others will add to this based on their own experience etc...

Regards, SteveF

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 6:58 AM

I'm still a big Libby user and Libby's happy as a pea in a pod.  I'd think after maybe 5 years of L4/5, I'd of moved on.  But I'd also think after 5 years, Logos would have their interface coded for regular Windows actions (eg paging all panels, arrow keys, copying text, and so forth).  But they're still back in the late 1980s trying to figure it out.

Typical Bellingham coders: 'Hmm ... let's see. Duplicate the little letters into a buffer.  What key stroke was that, Bob?  'C!'. Ok, 'C'. Oh wait. I think you have to put a 'control' code in front of it.  Try that.'

The other reason I like Libby, is I don't have to worry what Bob's going to do next. Because he promised not to!!

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 7:13 AM

David Paul:

Can you insert OneNote notes directly into your Logos Bibles? Do they pop up when you hover over the note icon?

I can see the advantages of a note taking system integrated into the very program.  And I certainly do not think the way I do it is right for everyone, or superior in any way.

I was being somewhat silly, and not intending it as any sort of put down.  I just personally prefer the advantages to OneNote over taking notes inside the Logos program itself.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 2:47 PM

Todd...yes. like Steve said, the two play very well together. I use them side-by-side all the time. Each can do things the other can't. But the fact is, though both are useful, I would run into a burning building to save L3...and I'd probably just watch L5 burn. Libronix is essentially my life.

Even though the IE9 patch works, I found that just having IE9 on my system altered the way my Logos notes worked in ways I was not happy with. I still have IE7 on my system, but I only use it to access my old Favorites on occasion. When I do, I immediately recreate a bookmark in Chrome to duplicate the IE Favorite so that I don't have to use IE.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 3:35 PM

Hmmm.  The burning building example might not exactly be in Libby's favor.  

With Libronix, you'd HAVE to run into the burning building. With L5, you could sit idly by with your marshmellows, get another PC and then download L5.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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