BUG 5.2a SR 1: issues with various Bibles in Word Lists

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fgh | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Apr 10 2014 4:20 PM

1) Prioritize Bibel 82.

2) Open a new Word List, click Add, note that Bibel 82 is displayed as the default Bible, enter a passage (I used Philemon), and execute.

>> You get a Word List. No lemmas, of course, but the words and the word count is there.

3) Select all, right-click, and delete.

4) Now click Add again, switch to e g NRSV, and click outside the Add menu (executing isn't necessary).

5) Open Add again, and try to get back to Bibel 82. 

>> It's not there. Nor is any other Swedish Bible. If I can use a Bible when it's prioritized, I would think I should be able to use it when it's not prioritized as well.

6) Go back to Add, select VGCLEM, enter a range, and execute.

>> The little wheel spins, but the list shows up empty.

Seems to be the same with several others (I tried Elzevir and Byz).

7) With a Greek NT selected, quickly and absentmindedly type in 'ruth' and hit Enter, without taking the time to look at the dropdown.

>> The list shows up, but in Swedish. I would prefer a warning I couldn't possibly miss. Especially if I'd entered something like Gen-Deut and then sat waiting for several minutes, only to realize I'd forgotten to switch the Bible from my last search...

Though if I've created a custom series of one OT and one NT, I would prefer if it simply switched over automatically.

Finally a question: what is the arrow icon in the reference box supposed to do? It doesn't seem to execute, it doesn't seem to do anything, and the tooltip says 'Reference', as if it was a question mark and not an arrow.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 11 2014 10:20 PM

In Logos 5.2 SR-6, English interface (also reproducible in 5.2a SR-1):-

fgh:

1) Prioritize Bibel 82.

I prioritized NET instead.

fgh:

2) Open a new Word List, click Add, note that Bibel 82 is displayed as the default Bible, enter a passage (I used Philemon), and execute.

>> You get a Word List. No lemmas, of course, but the words and the word count is there.

I can reproduce the generation of a Word List with NET displayed as default.

fgh:

3) Select all, right-click, and delete.

4) Now click Add again, switch to e g NRSV, and click outside the Add menu (executing isn't necessary).

5) Open Add again, and try to get back to Bibel 82. 

>> It's not there. Nor is any other Swedish Bible. If I can use a Bible when it's prioritized, I would think I should be able to use it when it's not prioritized as well.

NET is not in the list for Add. It should never have been listed in the first place.

fgh:

6) Go back to Add, select VGCLEM, enter a range, and execute.

>> The little wheel spins, but the list shows up empty.

Seems to be the same with several others (I tried Elzevir and Byz).

Elzevir, Byz, TR1550MR, TR1894MR, WH1881MR produce empty lists.

The "Selected text.." method produces a message "Text does not contain any usable word data", but NET has usable data!

fgh:
7) With a Greek NT selected, quickly and absentmindedly type in 'ruth' and hit Enter...

>> The list shows up, but in Swedish.

From Biblel 82(?) because mine came from the prioritized NET bible. If ESV is prioritized, the list shows Hebrew lemmas.

fgh:
Finally a question: what is the arrow icon in the reference box supposed to do? It doesn't seem to execute

It executes when I'm not changing the reference.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 14 2014 5:33 AM

Thanks for taking the time to check.

Dave Hooton:
It executes when I'm not changing the reference.

Not for me. I created a Word List, deleted the content again, opened Add, and clicked the arrow (the reference still showing in the box). Nothing happened.

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Angela Murashov | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 16 2014 2:41 PM

fgh:

>> It's not there. Nor is any other Swedish Bible. If I can use a Bible when it's prioritized, I would think I should be able to use it when it's not prioritized as well.

I can reproduce this,and I will create a case. 

fgh:

6) Go back to Add, select VGCLEM, enter a range, and execute.

>> The little wheel spins, but the list shows up empty.

I can reproduce this.  

But like Dave noted, when you add selected text from the VGCLEM there is a notification bar "Text does not contain any usable word data." in the Word List Document that appears letting you know that there's no usable data in the resource. The same notification should appear when you select VGCLEM, enter a range and execute. I will create a case for Development to investigate this. 

fgh:

7) With a Greek NT selected, quickly and absentmindedly type in 'ruth' and hit Enter, without taking the time to look at the dropdown.

>> The list shows up, but in Swedish. I would prefer a warning I couldn't possibly miss. Especially if I'd entered something like Gen-Deut and then sat waiting for several minutes, only to realize I'd forgotten to switch the Bible from my last search...

This is the expected behavior because you have selected the Greek NT which does not have the book of Ruth (OT book). So when you type Ruth it automatically selects the Bibel 82 (your prioritized Swedish Bible) and gives the first option in the drop down menu "BIBEL82 Ruth". If you had the ESV as your prioritized Bible it would show "ESV Ruth". 

fgh:
Though if I've created a custom series of one OT and one NT, I would prefer if it simply switched over automatically.

I will create a case for this suggestion.

fgh:
Finally a question: what is the arrow icon in the reference box supposed to do? It doesn't seem to execute, it doesn't seem to do anything, and the tooltip says 'Reference', as if it was a question mark and not an arrow.

This is only an issue on Mac,and I will create a case for it. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 16 2014 2:57 PM

Angela Murashov:
But like Dave noted, when you add selected text from the VGCLEM there is a notification bar "Text does not contain any usable word data." in the Word List Document that appears letting you know that there's no usable data in the resource. The same notification should appear when you select VGCLEM,

Then why do these bibles appear in the list? Further, why does the message occur when they do have a morphology? Why are the TR bibles "unusable"?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 16 2014 3:13 PM

Angela Murashov:
So when you type Ruth it automatically selects the Bibel 82 (your prioritized Swedish Bible)

It uses the data type and text of the preferred bible (NET or Bibel 82) but these are theoretically "unusable" as they have no morphology (lemmas)!

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 17 2014 7:50 AM

Thanks, Angela.

Dave Hooton:
Then why do these bibles appear in the list? Further, why does the message occur when they do have a morphology? Why are the TR bibles "unusable"?

Good questions.Smile

Angela Murashov:
This is the expected behavior because you have selected the Greek NT which does not have the book of Ruth (OT book).

So I figured, but it is not a useful behaviour. It just forces me to sit waiting for a result I must then immediately delete in order to be able to do what I really wanted. If I've accidentally entered an OT book for an NT Bible (or the other way around), it shouldn't execute at all; it should give me a warning and wait for me to change either setting (except, like I said, if I have a custom series).

Angela Murashov:
So when you type Ruth it automatically selects the Bibel 82 (your prioritized Swedish Bible) and gives the first option in the drop down menu "BIBEL82 Ruth".

Would you see that if you were me? And in time? Even I type r-u-t-h-Return far too fast for the dropdown to have time to even appear. And I bet you type a whole lot faster than me.Smile

Let me repeat: I would prefer a warning I couldn't possibly miss. Like the pink box you get in Cmd-F when you've reached the last hit. 

EDIT: Let me point out that this doesn't happen in Search. If I choose e g UBS4 there, Ruth and all other OT ranges are grayed out, and if I choose Ruth first and then UBS, it automatically switches back to All Passages. 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 17 2014 8:48 AM

Let me also point out that being able to do a Word List is useful even when I can't get any lemmas for that Bible. It takes me 20 seconds to get a Word List for Ruth, with the number of times each word is used. It took me 10-20 minutes to get the same information through Search.

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Angela Murashov | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 8:26 AM

Dave Hooton:

Angela Murashov:
But like Dave noted, when you add selected text from the VGCLEM there is a notification bar "Text does not contain any usable word data." in the Word List Document that appears letting you know that there's no usable data in the resource. The same notification should appear when you select VGCLEM,

Then why do these bibles appear in the list? Further, why does the message occur when they do have a morphology? Why are the TR bibles "unusable"?

I will make a case for Development to investigate this. 

Dave Hooton:

Angela Murashov:
So when you type Ruth it automatically selects the Bibel 82 (your prioritized Swedish Bible)

It uses the data type and text of the preferred bible (NET or Bibel 82) but these are theoretically "unusable" as they have no morphology (lemmas)!

I will make a case for this as well. 

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Angela Murashov | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 9:00 AM

fgh:

Angela Murashov:
This is the expected behavior because you have selected the Greek NT which does not have the book of Ruth (OT book).

So I figured, but it is not a useful behaviour. It just forces me to sit waiting for a result I must then immediately delete in order to be able to do what I really wanted. If I've accidentally entered an OT book for an NT Bible (or the other way around), it shouldn't execute at all; it should give me a warning and wait for me to change either setting (except, like I said, if I have a custom series).

fgh:

Angela Murashov:
So when you type Ruth it automatically selects the Bibel 82 (your prioritized Swedish Bible) and gives the first option in the drop down menu "BIBEL82 Ruth".

Would you see that if you were me? And in time? Even I type r-u-t-h-Return far too fast for the dropdown to have time to even appear. And I bet you type a whole lot faster than me.Smile

Let me repeat: I would prefer a warning I couldn't possibly miss. Like the pink box you get in Cmd-F when you've reached the last hit. 

EDIT: Let me point out that this doesn't happen in Search. If I choose e g UBS4 there, Ruth and all other OT ranges are grayed out, and if I choose Ruth first and then UBS, it automatically switches back to All Passages. 

I will create a case for Development to investigate this.  Smile

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 22 2014 3:14 PM

Angela Murashov:
I will make a case for this as well. 

Thanks Angela.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 5 2015 3:37 AM

Problems still occur in Logos 6

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